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: June 03, 2008, 03:18:59 PM

Suppa fly, suppa fly, stuppa fied...why must you even speak?

Homework.....well lets see amount of talent around him he makes the decisions you IDIOT.

Here you speak so eloquently and legibly that I can't even understand what the hell you're trying to say besides the very ironic "you idiot" part.

He came over with Allen

Hmm...really? You NEED to go do some homework kid because Jon Gruden did indeed work underneath Rich McKay from March of 2002 thru October of 2003 (approximately 1 1/2 years) before Bruce Allen came to Tampa. So how did he [Gruden] "come over with Allen" again? Yep, that's what I thought kid.

and you can't tell me he has no say in who is drafted or picked up.

I can't? Really? Kid, you truly need to go do your homework because it's widely known that just this offseason the Bucs drafted Aqib Talib in the 1st round despite Jon Gruden's desire to draft an offensively playmaker. Gruden himself said afterwards that drafting Talib instead of an offensive player "it's like my guts were ripped out". AND I assure you kid that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers wouldn't have Chris Simms still around here if Jon Gruden did indeed had it his way.

Who is the last really good player they have drafted that is really making an impact.

Wow, that's easy. Hmm...who to start with? How about Barret Ruud, Tanard Jackson, Philip Buchanon, Gaines Adams, Jerremy Trueblood, Davin Joseph, Aaron Sears, Alex Smith, Caddy (2005 ROY), Clayton (2004 ROY Runner Up).

Top 5 winningest coaches with players left over from previous coaches...Do some of the said homework you speak of.

Doesn't matter how it get's done you fool as long as it gets done. Your hate for Gruden is so pathetic that you allow yourself to argue against him in such a dumb way. Grow up.

Yep I can't stand Gruden spew spew spew. Pound that rock is a load of crap.

You haven't a clue of what pound that rock means and if you did then I'm sure you would know that saying wasn't Gruden's idea, it was Rod Marinelli's. Oh and btw, it was a team saying. NOT Gruden's.

Gruden sucks!

Yep, though his career stats and his Super Bowl title proves otherwise. You're a tool Stuppa Fyd

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#1 : June 03, 2008, 03:17:43 PM

You believe on air personalities opinions rather then finding the facts.  Maybe you should hang out a while and read the content provided to you by unbiased Buc reporters and gain some information about this team you claime to love.  Subscribe to the mag and online contant and become a better informaed fan.  If you still believe Gruden is a bad coach and the FO is poor at making decisions then at least you formed your opinon on valid information and not somebody elses opinion.


Who said I loved them. Please spell check next time. And unbiased BUC reporters PLEASE. Yeah I know Dungy didn't do anything...Superbowl. And no I'm not an Indy fan.

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#2 : June 03, 2008, 03:10:14 PM

Gee Ron thanks for being the defender of women. I just have to say its funny that a punk like you whos made a career of degrading women ( remember the Ron and Ron show?) has now turned into Martha Burke.


Well  played, end of discussion.


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#3 : June 03, 2008, 03:08:12 PM

Iron Gunwalls ....kid? hardly. Homework.....well lets see amount of talent around him he makes the decisions you IDIOT. He came over with Allen and you can't tell me he has no say in who is drafted or picked up. Who is the last really good player they have drafted that is really making an impact. Top 5 winningest coaches with players left over from previous coaches... Do some of the said homework you speak of. MBF atlanta,ga you have enough issues up there. PETA is watching you. And maybe you would like a nice balloon animal. Yep I can't stand Gruden spew spew spew. Pound that rock is a load of crap. Gruden sucks! And Stevens is still a RAPIST! via Seattle Times.

If it wasn't for your boys Dungy and McGay the Bucs would have had cap space and probably a few SB's.  Dungy wasted the prime of this team and that is the reason he was ran out of town.  McGay blews this teams cap and that is why he was ran out of town.  Gruden makes all the calls and Allen is nothing more then his puppet?  Welcome aboard ignorant reader of the Trib/Times and loyal listener to WDAE.  Whoa was the last two number one picks?  Adams, a DE, and Talib, a CB, I am sure those were the guys on the top of Gruden's board.  The Bucs had to scrape by with second tier players because of the hell left when Dungy and McGay left town.  The fact that you believe what you are saying only supports that fact that you believe everything put into print about Stevens.  You only care about the side of the story that proves your point about him and the Bucs FO.  This is the same attitude that the idiots on 620 and the Times/Trib take and the reason why many of the fans of this team are ignorant.  

You believe on air personalities opinions rather then finding the facts.  Maybe you should hang out a while and read the content provided to you by unbiased Buc reporters and gain some information about this team you claime to love.  Subscribe to the mag and online contant and become a better informaed fan.  If you still believe Gruden is a bad coach and the FO is poor at making decisions then at least you formed your opinon on valid information and not somebody elses opinion.

The last really good player they drafted that is makin an impact?  How about the S Tanard Jackson?  How about Aaron Sears?  How about Davin Joseph?  How about Trueblood?  How about Alex Smith?  How about Ruud? How about Adams?  Should I keep going?  How about we talk about the players they have brought in here that have excelled?  Hovan? Haye? White? June?  Bucannon? Galloway? Garcia? Askew? Hilliard? They managed to bring all those guys in while getting under the cap after the screw up know as McGay.  What has McGay done to Atlanta's cap?  Maybe we should just talk about the SB, you know the game I am sure yuo will say was won with Dungy's team.  If it was Dungy's team why couldn't Dungy get the job done?  

Next time you want to have a debate come with some knowledge.


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#4 : June 02, 2008, 04:17:28 PM

By Ken Armstrong and Nick Perry - Seattle Times staff reporters -


Rick Neuheisel, head coach of the University of Washington's football team, was playing golf when a cart came rolling up and someone handed him a phone. The UW's sports-information director was on the other end: One of the team's best players had just been arrested, on su**CENSORED**ion of rape. Before 7 that morning — Thursday, July 27, 2000 — Seattle police detectives, accompanied by a SWAT team, had served a search warrant at the home of Jerramy Stevens and taken him away. The UW football team was used to run-ins with the law. It even had a system, of sorts, for dealing with them. Randy Hart, the defensive-line coach, had police contacts who would tell him when players were in trouble. Other coaches had names of attorneys players could contact.

One lawyer stood out: Mike Hunsinger, a UW alumnus and longtime fan. In time, Hunsinger would represent at least 14 members of the 2000 football team — players accused of hit-and-run, animal cruelty, punching a security guard, DUI, taking part in an attack on a fraternity, sexual assault, punching windows out of cars, domestic violence, assaulting a parking attendant. He'd charge the players a few hundred bucks and let them pay over time. Neuheisel got in touch with Barbara Hedges, the university's athletic director, to see what she wanted to do. At 1:30 p.m., less than seven hours after Stevens' arrest, a fax arrived at the Seattle Police Department's sexual-assault unit. It was addressed to Maryann Parker, the lead detective, who had been investigating the case for seven weeks. The fax came from Hunsinger's office. We're representing Jerramy Stevens, the message said. Please call us immediately.

The month before, just after 3 a.m. on June 4, a UW student called 911 to report a possible rape in progress. Walking back to his dorm, he'd passed a row of fraternities and sororities and seen two people against a building. A woman, wearing only a bra and maybe underwear, leaned against a wall, arms to her side. A tall man faced her, his back to the passer-by. The situation didn't look right, the student told police. The woman looked right at him but did nothing to cover up. She looked drugged or drunk: "Half passed out ... eyes glazed ... no one home." "The male was controlling things," the witness said. "It wasn't a two-person interlude." When the man turned and caught sight of the passer-by, he moved the woman behind a bush. Seattle police responded but couldn't find the two.

Nine hours later, around noon, a 19-year-old freshman woke up at the Pi Beta Phi sorority. She had a headache, stomach pain, sore ribs, scratched legs. She could barely move. Her bra and tube top were around her waist and covered in dirt. Her underwear was missing. "What happened to me?" she asked her roommate. About the same time, Jerramy Stevens emerged from his room. He lived with several teammates in a house north of campus. He pulled a pair of women's underpants out of his jeans pocket and, according to a police report, told a roommate, "Look what I have." Stevens said he'd had sex with the freshman, whose middle name was Marie. "No way," the roommate said. He couldn't believe it, because he had heard Marie was a virgin. Stevens' story made the rounds. A friend of Marie's heard one football player ask another: Did you hear that Jerramy had sex with Marie in the dirt outside a fraternity? Meanwhile, Marie and her friends tried to figure out what had happened. Inside Marie's room, a friend saw a fleece jacket that Stevens wore the night before. The jacket, covered in dirt, appeared to be stained with blood. Marie couldn't remember how she got home, she later told police. She'd had three beers over dinner before going to a fraternity party, and two more drinks while there. Stevens, a friend, had been at the party, too. The last beer Marie remembered being handed had already been opened. After that, she remembered next to nothing.

She stayed in bed most of the day. Her friends searched for her underwear outside the sorority and in an alley, but returned empty-handed. That afternoon, word of what was being said at Stevens' house got back to Marie. Her eyes "got huge," a friend said later. "She had [a] look of complete horror on her face." Marie worried she may have been sexually assaulted. She worried about pregnancy and disease. Should I get a morning-after pill? she asked one friend. About 9:30 that night, Marie got Stevens on the phone, she later recounted to police. What happened? she asked. Stevens told Marie he'd walked her home. "We kissed and some stuff," he told her. Did we have sex? she asked. "No," he told her. "Don't trip, it's nothing, don't worry about it." Marie, crying, asked: Then why are you telling your friends we did? He denied saying that to anyone. Afterward, Stevens told a roommate about this conversation. The roommate told Stevens: You have to call her back. You have to let her know you had sex. You at least owe her that. Late that night, Marie went to the university hospital, across the street from Husky Stadium. She got a shot for nausea and was directed to Harborview Medical Center for a sexual-assault exam. Marie's parents went with her. The medical staff found semen in her vagina and rectum, and a doctor told Marie that her anus had been lacerated. The semen was placed in a rape kit, for testing.

On June 6, the case landed on the desk of Maryann Parker, a 14-year veteran of the Seattle Police Department. She interviewed Marie, who suspected she'd been slipped a date-rape drug. Investigators couldn't say. Too much time had elapsed before Marie's blood was drawn for testing. Parker interviewed people who had been at the fraternity party. They said Marie's condition changed suddenly that night. Her speech was slurred. She had trouble standing, leaned against people, and acted drugged: "Out of control." Marie's friends told Parker they had escorted her from the party. Although the sorority was nearby, Marie was in no shape to walk home alone. Behind the fraternity, a police car pulled up, and an officer asked if Marie was all right. We're just driving her home, Marie's friends answered. On the way, the group saw Stevens in the alley. Marie's friends dropped her off at the sorority but didn't walk her in. On the morning Stevens was arrested, Parker escorted him to the police station. She asked if he'd be willing to answer questions, but he said no. His blood was drawn for DNA testing, and he was booked into jail. This same day, another detective interviewed a defensive lineman who lived with Stevens. The lineman said he didn't believe Stevens committed rape. Why not? the detective asked. "Well ... he's my best friend," the player said. "I hang out with champions." Stevens, the player said, was "the type of guy where usually when he fools around he ends up having sex cause he's a charming guy, chicks dig him." Stevens spent that Thursday night in jail.

The next day, about 15 of Stevens' teammates showed up to support him at a scheduled bail hearing. But prosecutors said they needed more time to review the evidence and released Stevens without charges. Some of Stevens' teammates cheered when told the news. King County's elected prosecutor, Norm Maleng, didn't know beforehand that Stevens was going to be arrested. He and two top deputies — Dan Satterberg and Mark Larson — were "livid," Parker says. "They were mad that we had arrested him, because they had to deal with the media fallout," Parker says. "After all, he was going to be a superstar." That Friday afternoon, a faceoff took place at the prosecutors' offices. Parker said a meeting was called — "for me to explain my actions." Four of her superiors accompanied Parker: an assistant chief, a lieutenant and two sergeants. Six prosecutors attended, including Satterberg and Larson. Satterberg, the office's No. 2, reported straight to Maleng. Larson ran the criminal division. Satterberg sat across from Parker. Why did you arrest him? she said he asked. One of Parker's bosses told Satterberg: We don't need your permission to arrest someone. All we need is probable cause.



This stuff is damning. I find it hard to cheer for such scum.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html




 

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#5 : June 02, 2008, 04:27:19 PM

Yes, because I'm sure the girl no clue what was going on. He must have raped her because grils rarely get wasted and bang a dude then don't remember.

Unless you were there and new what event took place it's pointless as an outsider reading her side of the story. 

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#6 : June 02, 2008, 04:38:56 PM

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This stuff is damning.

Almost as damning as the evidence against the Duke LaCrosse Team.

There are atleast 3 sides to every story.  So far we've only heard the reporter's.


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#7 : June 02, 2008, 04:43:33 PM

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This stuff is damning.

Almost as damning as the evidence against the Duke LaCrosse Team.

There are atleast 3 sides to every story. So far we've only heard the reporter's.


Exactly my thoughts when reading it. Girl wakes up after a crazy night of drinking and regrets going off in the bushes and banging some dude. Then goes and said it's rape because she doesn't remember or is embarrassed.

I'm not saying Stevens didn't do this but to curse him because of a story like this is dangerous.

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#8 : June 02, 2008, 04:44:10 PM

Wow, I think this is the first time I heard about this story.  Also, all this stuff posted in the other thread was not nearly enough.  

No Conviction = Not guilty

Hell, all the information that was presented aginst him wasn't even taken to court.  Seems like there is some holes in the story that the reporter never cared to point out.  Athletes sometimes get slapps on the wrist but their charges are rarely, if ever, just ignored.  


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#9 : June 02, 2008, 04:52:19 PM

Wow, I think this is the first time I heard about this story.  Also, all this stuff posted in the other thread was not nearly enough. 

No Conviction = Not guilty

Hell, all the information that was presented aginst him wasn't even taken to court.  Seems like there is some holes in the story that the reporter never cared to point out.  Athletes sometimes get slapps on the wrist but their charges are rarely, if ever, just ignored. 

You're kidding right?


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#10 : June 02, 2008, 04:52:43 PM

It is not required that we go to the polar opposites on this matter.  There is no way to take a side - there is plenty in Steven's history that indicates issues in his youth will haunt him.  There is nothing that damn him - i.e. a conviction in the matter above.  His dwi/dui and conduct on other matters is/was at least unacceptable.

However, his conduct in Tampa has been at least acceptable.  He is not alone in dwi/dui nor poor behavior.  His recent history is good.  

That leaves one with an uncomfortable feeling - but does not provide a basis for judgement.  It does entitle one discomfort - but that does not entitle judgement.

This entitles anyone who is uncomfortable to have a bad feeling - and anxiety - but until something gets proven - there is not a basis for judgement or damning conclusions.  Damn the University or the Authorities who did not go further - or wish the "victim" had been willing to participate in a criminal action.  But realize, painfully,you don't have the proof to condemn - or even judge - beyond what has been proven.  It is not a good situation - and I wish the buccs were not involved with the man on one hand - on the other - second chance(s) do sometimes enable better to be better.  To move forward from a poor past.

So choose carefully when you choose to judge - without the proof.  Without the certainty.  Because a man's fate is in the balance.  Just sayin'

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#11 : June 02, 2008, 04:57:04 PM

How is a person guilty without a conviction?  This is why we rely on courts and not public opinion.  The system heard all the facts and decided there was not enough to press charges.  He either did not do what was said or their was serious holes in the girls story.  Either way how can you say he is guilty without any facts?

Wow, I think this is the first time I heard about this story. Also, all this stuff posted in the other thread was not nearly enough.

No Conviction = Not guilty

Hell, all the information that was presented aginst him wasn't even taken to court. Seems like there is some holes in the story that the reporter never cared to point out. Athletes sometimes get slapps on the wrist but their charges are rarely, if ever, just ignored.

You're kidding right?


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#12 : June 02, 2008, 05:01:44 PM

I see what you guys are saying and I too disagree with some of the points in the reported story.

One big thing I don't understand is the anal rape. Over the years I've dated a few girls who liked to play with toys and I've never seen anything go there without lubricant and it says in the reporters story that they found semen in her vagina and rectum but didn't mention any trace of a lubricant. I find it hard to believe that he committed anal rape on a virgin without having said lubricant.

In the story it says that her friends escorted her out of the party and to her dorm but left her alone to walk up to her room. That means Stevens met her there, either by accident or by plan (his , hers or thiers). So if he planned to rape her then he should be in prison, but if he planned to have consensual sex, he'd be a free man.

Certain things just don't add up here.

Though I do feel as if the guy did what has been alleged and did get away with it for a small price of $300k, but with all the unknowns, I still can't say it's rape and niether can anyone else factualy.

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#13 : June 02, 2008, 05:05:06 PM

Wow, I think this is the first time I heard about this story.  Also, all this stuff posted in the other thread was not nearly enough. 

No Conviction = Not guilty

Hell, all the information that was presented aginst him wasn't even taken to court.  Seems like there is some holes in the story that the reporter never cared to point out.  Athletes sometimes get slapps on the wrist but their charges are rarely, if ever, just ignored. 



Bucemup, here's a link to the whole story. I shortened it to just the night of the crime because the reporters story has far too many characters than this site allows per post. It's a long and very informative story about the crime, arrest, charges, courtcase, settlement, to Holmgren and Bruce Allen talking about him.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html

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#14 : June 02, 2008, 05:10:51 PM

How is a person guilty without a conviction? This is why we rely on courts and not public opinion. The system heard all the facts and decided there was not enough to press charges. He either did not do what was said or their was serious holes in the girls story. Either way how can you say he is guilty without any facts?

Wow, I think this is the first time I heard about this story. Also, all this stuff posted in the other thread was not nearly enough.

No Conviction = Not guilty

Hell, all the information that was presented aginst him wasn't even taken to court. Seems like there is some holes in the story that the reporter never cared to point out. Athletes sometimes get slapps on the wrist but their charges are rarely, if ever, just ignored.

You're kidding right?

Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant this is the first you're hearing about this?

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