Sick of The Gruden- Allen Apologists

[gharen]

Wake up! There running a business. As a CEO myself, there are times that you say one thing and then things happen to change what you thought you were going to do. It happens. The players are employees and don't need to know or understand every decision the front office makes, they need to just do there job! As far as ex-employees go, I doubt very many ever have anything good to say about there former employers. For Carter to make such a stupid remark like the franchises reputation is at an all time low, that's an assinine comment! I have a hard time believing the teams reputation is worse than it was when we were going 2-14 and Culverhouse was letting good players like Bo Jackson and Doug Williams leave for nothing because he didn't want to pay them.

[DanTurksGhost]

Take McCardell for instance, Gruden told/promised that he'd get something done for him and Bruce Allen didn't approve. Now, did Gruden lie? No he over stepped his bounds as a coach and probably didn't fully understand the money aspect of the Salary Cap at that time. McCardell shouldn't have held Gruden responsible for BA deciding not to rework his deal.

McCardell said the same thing in Jacksonville. He claimed he was made contract promises that were never delivered.

[Lamond]

Why did Warrick Dunn pick Evil Jon over Saint Tony ? Surely all his former friends had told him what a ruthless over-bearing control freak Jon was. hmmmm

Colts probably didn't want to overpay for an overhill 33 year old Dunn. Colts are a team that truly builds through the draft unlike a certain team that says they do.....

Last I checked the Colts didn't have a lot of choice as to where they get their players. It's the draft or nothing.

[cheveliar]

I love how the media lives for the negative spin. Were the talking heads eager to trumpet the positive news and balance their negative talk when BJ Askew was re-signed and had nothing but love to offer up for the coach and the team? How much did we hear about Askew's praise? How many radio hosts opened their shows with a long monologue about how great it is to hear that quality players like Askew are proud and happy to play for Gruden and be a part of this team?

That does not produce the shock that signing a guy that is a potential pro bowler does...no one wants to know about that...doesn't promote the negative AGENDA!!

[alldaway]

Take McCardell for instance, Gruden told/promised that he'd get something done for him and Bruce Allen didn't approve. Now, did Gruden lie? No he over stepped his bounds as a coach and probably didn't fully understand the money aspect of the Salary Cap at that time. McCardell shouldn't have held Gruden responsible for BA deciding not to rework his deal.

McCardell said the same thing in Jacksonville. He claimed he was made contract promises that were never delivered.

McCardell's claim in Jax was legit.

[Lamond]

Take McCardell for instance, Gruden told/promised that he'd get something done for him and Bruce Allen didn't approve. Now, did Gruden lie? No he over stepped his bounds as a coach and probably didn't fully understand the money aspect of the Salary Cap at that time. McCardell shouldn't have held Gruden responsible for BA deciding not to rework his deal.

McCardell said the same thing in Jacksonville. He claimed he was made contract promises that were never delivered.

Didn't the same thing happen in San Diego?

[alldaway]

Why did Warrick Dunn pick Evil Jon over Saint Tony ? Surely all his former friends had told him what a ruthless over-bearing control freak Jon was. hmmmm

Colts probably didn't want to overpay for an overhill 33 year old Dunn. Colts are a team that truly builds through the draft unlike a certain team that says they do.....

Last I checked the Colts didn't have a lot of choice as to where they get their players. It's the draft or nothing.

Becuase they spend their cap space to re-sign their own homegrown stars.

[DanTurksGhost]

Didn't the same thing happen in San Diego?

Everybody promises him everything.

[Runole]

Why did Warrick Dunn pick Evil Jon over Saint Tony ? Surely all his former friends had told him what a ruthless over-bearing control freak Jon was.  hmmmm

Shame on you raining on the HATE Gruden fan club!!

[Runole]

Why did Warrick Dunn pick Evil Jon over Saint Tony ? Surely all his former friends had told him what a ruthless over-bearing control freak Jon was.  hmmmm

Colts probably didn't want to overpay for an overhill 33 year old Dunn.  Colts are a team that truly builds through the draft unlike a certain team that says they do.....

??

[Uncle Stan]

How many times have these names been brought up before and discussed-in some detail?

I didn't see then and I don't see now, any fire. I see a lot of smoke from many who have different agendas than the the Bucs FO.

[Biggs3535]

Colts probably didn't want to overpay for an overhill 33 year old Dunn.  Colts are a team that truly builds through the draft unlike a certain team that says they do.....

You mean the same Colts team that traded for a broken down Anthony McFarland and signed a worthless Simeon Rice?

[CeriousBuc]

Take McCardell for instance, Gruden told/promised that he'd get something done for him and Bruce Allen didn't approve. Now, did Gruden lie? No he over stepped his bounds as a coach and probably didn't fully understand the money aspect of the Salary Cap at that time. McCardell shouldn't have held Gruden responsible for BA deciding not to rework his deal.

McCardell said the same thing in Jacksonville. He claimed he was made contract promises that were never delivered.

What a selfish way to behave. It's a given that teams want to keep their productive players happy, but if the money isn't there it isn't there. Keenan should've understood that. McCardell was two years into a four year deal at the time. Bruce Allen was the GM not Gruden regardless of all the 'puppet' talk and he set the precident for not reworking deals before the final year of the deal. At no time was McCardell lied to.

[fbickley]

Is it wrong for Gruden to want to get rid of Simms after his injury?  I see absolutely no problem with it.   If you remember correctly, Simms was playing piss poor to start the season, he had regressed from the prior year, and wasn't getting any better.  Everyone was calling for his head at that time.  IF it were just a severe rib bruise, he wouldn't be on the team right now and no one would care.  But the day after the game, when we found out that he lost his spleen, we all felt sorry for him.  He signed a contract before he was nearly ready to play, and wasn't playing NFL caliber football before the injury.  Take your money and don't **CENSORED** about a coach or a team you have been off of for 2 years.  You will get released before camp, get a shot at someone's roster and backup for a year or two before he gets another shot at playing in the NFL.  But he should count himself lucky he has 4 million in his pocket from the bucs when he would be on the street otherwise

[DanTurksGhost]

You mean the same Colts team that traded for a broken down Anthony McFarland and signed a worthless Simeon Rice?

Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!