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: June 19, 2008, 09:51:12 PM

To me, this will be only "mind-boggling" if the soil and crop samples come back with the
same anomalous characteristics that some of the past circles exhibited. Otherwise, it's
just an impressive piece of artwork by human circle makers.

If you have done any in depth reading about this subject, you'll know what I mean when
I refer to the anomalous characteristics. If not, click on this link:

http://www.projo.com/blogs/shenews/stories/cropcircs.html




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4160477.ece

Wroughton Mathematicians are perplexed after a highly complex crop circle appeared in a Wiltshire field - depicting a fundamental mathematical symbol.

The circle is, apparently, a coded image representing a complex mathematical number — the first ten digits of pi — and even astrophysicists admit they find it “mind-boggling”.


The circular pattern was created in a barley field near Barbury Castle, an Iron Age hill fort, earlier this month.

Measuring around 46m (150ft) in diameter, it has had crop circle enthusiasts and experts stumped.

The symbol was identified eventually by Mike Reed, a retired astrophysicist who contacted Lucy Pringle, a crop circle photographer and expert, with an explanation.

"The tenth digit has even been correctly rounded up. The little dot near the centre is the decimal point.

~Astrophysicist Mike Reed


Maths codes and geometric patterns have long been an important factor in crop circle formations — one of the most famous formations ever created showed the image of a complex set of fractals known as The Julia Set, in a field near Stonehenge, 12 years ago.

Lucy Pringle, who researches the effects of electromagnetic fields on living systems and crop formations and has the largest database of crop circles in the world said of the phenomenon: “This is an astounding development — it is a seminal event.”



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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2144652/Most-complex-crop-circle-ever-discovered-in-British-fields.html



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#1 : June 19, 2008, 10:00:08 PM

0 degree lawnmowers from Lowes.

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#2 : June 19, 2008, 11:08:22 PM

0 degree lawnmowers from Lowes.

Ss I said, I'll assume human makers. But humans with boards and strings don't affect the crops and soil in the
ways that are mentioned in the article that I linked to in ProJo.

If you're curious,  educate yourself on the subject and read about the science. It's almost always about the science.

http://www.projo.com/blogs/shenews/stories/cropcircs.html

Excerpts:

Seeds taken from the plants and germinated in the lab showed significant alterations in growth, as compared with controls. Effects varied from an inability to develop seeds to a massive increase in growth rate -- depending on the species, the age of the plants when the circle was created and the intensity of the energy system involved.

These anomalies were also found in tufts of standing plants inside crop circles -- clearly not a result of mechanical flattening -- and in patches of randomly downed crops found near the geometric designs. These facts suggested some kind of natural, but unknown, force at work.

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In 1999, British investigator Ronald Ashby examined the glaze through optical and scanning electron microscopes. He determined that intense heat had been involved -- iron melts at about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit -- administered in millisecond bursts. "After exhaustive inquiry, there is no mundane explanation for the glaze" he concluded.

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Mineralogist Sampath Iyengar, of the Technology of Materials Laboratory, in California, examined specific heat-sensitive clay minerals in these soils, using X-ray diffraction and a scanning electron microscope. He discovered an increase in the degree of crystallinity (the ordering of atoms) in the circle minerals, which statistician Ravi Raghavan determined was statistically significant at the 95 percent level of confidence.

"I was shocked," says Iyengar, a 30-year specialist in clay mineralogy. "These changes are normally found in sediments buried for thousands and thousands of years under rocks, affected by heat and pressure, and not in surface soils."

Also astounding was the direct correlation between the node-length increases in the plants and the increased crystallization in the soil minerals -- indicating a common energy source for both effects. Yet the scientists could not explain how this would be possible. The temperature required to alter soil crystallinity would be between 1,500 and 1,800 degrees F. This would destroy the plants.

Understanding the possible ramifications of these findings, Talbott sought the expertise of an emeritus professor of geology and mineralogy at Dartmouth College, Robert C. Reynolds Jr., who is former president of the Clay Minerals Society. He is regarded by his colleagues as the "best-known expert in the world" on X-ray diffraction analysis of clay minerals.

Reynolds determined that the BLT Team's data had been "obtained by competent personnel, using current equipment."

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"People don't want to face up to this, and scientists have to deal with the ridicule factor," he said in a recent interview.

Adding to the puzzle, professional filmmakers have documented bizarre daytime "balls of light" at crop-circle sites. Light phenomena were observed by multiple witnesses at the site of the Canadian circle so meticulously examined under the Rockefeller grant.

Eltjo Hasselhoff, a Dutch experimental physicist, has taken on the study of what he describes as "bright, fluorescent flying light objects,sized somewhere between an egg and a football."

Scientists face real and serious questions in confronting this mystery. Could this be secret laser technology beamed down from satellites? Is it a natural phenomenon? Is there a consciousness or intelligence directing an energy form yet unknown to us?

"To look at the evidence and go away unconvinced is one thing," says astrophysicist Haisch. "To not look at the evidence and be convinced against it . . . is another. That is not science." It's not good journalism, either.



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#3 : June 19, 2008, 11:21:50 PM

There is a group of people in the UK that admitted to doing most of the crop circles over there.


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#4 : June 19, 2008, 11:25:59 PM

end of thread...
There is a group of people in the UK that admitted to doing most of the crop circles over there.

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#5 : June 19, 2008, 11:26:44 PM

Yes, I know. That's why I said what I did about artwork by human circle makers.

But I also alluded to the fact that in a certain percentage of the circles, the crops and soil have
been affected in an anomalous manner. It seems to be some sort of high heat, like microwave
energy. Read the Pro Jo article for more.




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#6 : June 19, 2008, 11:31:15 PM

end of thread...
There is a group of people in the UK that admitted to doing most of the crop circles over there.

I guess ignorance is prevalent on topics such as this one. I'm amazed at how people can come to
conclusions on subjects without doing any serious studying or reading on it.

And I think it's funny how I'm the first one to mention the human circle makers and folks like
Doc come in late and make ignorant comments. You must try reading what's in a thread if
you want to have an educated discussion about it.

Look at the science and get back to me on how humans can do that to the plants and soil.
I guess they could be bringing portable generators into the circles and then plugging in
some sort of microwave device. So they could be making circles and popcorn.

People, open your minds enough to look at the evidence that has been collected on this
subject, Doug and Dave were not the be all end all on this phenomena.


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#7 : June 20, 2008, 12:05:29 AM

You people don't realize what this means.  This is a disaster of intergalatic proportions.

If an alien intelligence capable of navigating interstellar distances has finally found our world, there first contact is with.....sigh...the British.

Now there going to think our whole race is a bunch of pasty-faced soccer lovin' wankers with an extraordinarily bland taste in food.

We are doomed. :(

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The circle is, apparently, a coded image representing a complex mathematical number — the first ten digits of pi — and even astrophysicists admit they find it “mind-boggling”.

If you substitute the digits in the circle with letters from the greek alphabet, the symbol then spells "barley sucks so does warm beer"

We are doomed :(


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#8 : June 20, 2008, 01:24:54 AM

Blame MJS.



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#9 : June 20, 2008, 11:30:10 AM

I think crop circles are 99% hoaxes. I've seen and read many articles on how people make these.
Don't believe the hype. Add this into the aliens peaking into people's windows category.








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#10 : June 20, 2008, 11:39:09 AM

You people don't realize what this means.  This is a disaster of intergalatic proportions.

If an alien intelligence capable of navigating interstellar distances has finally found our world, there first contact is with.....sigh...the British.

Now there going to think our whole race is a bunch of pasty-faced soccer lovin' wankers with an extraordinarily bland taste in food.

We are doomed. :(

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The circle is, apparently, a coded image representing a complex mathematical number — the first ten digits of pi — and even astrophysicists admit they find it “mind-boggling”.

If you substitute the digits in the circle with letters from the greek alphabet, the symbol then spells "barley sucks so does warm beer"

We are doomed :(

Just think of the consequences if they had landed in Alabama or LA!!!!!

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#11 : June 20, 2008, 11:47:45 AM

I think crop circles are 99% hoaxes. I've seen and read many articles on how people make these.
Don't believe the hype. Add this into the aliens peaking into people's windows category.

Do some simple research into the science aspect and then come back with an informed opinion.









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#12 : June 20, 2008, 11:51:56 AM

I think crop circles are 99% hoaxes. I've seen and read many articles on how people make these.
Don't believe the hype. Add this into the aliens peaking into people's windows category.

Do some simple research into the science aspect and then come back with an informed opinion.









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Actually I did and have. Scientist have views on this from both angles. Obviously you will lean towards the angle that these are true. It's in you're nature Mr. UFO.
I think you need a blog or something.

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#13 : June 20, 2008, 11:54:25 AM

I don't lean towards anything. Some of the crops have been affected at the cellular level. So far,
no explanation has been given as to how human beings with a board and string can do that.

Aliens? ET? I never said that. It's unexplainable at this point. 99% of the scientific community
won't even look at the plant/soil data. Just like scientists wouldn't look into Galileo's telescope.
Nothing to see so why look?




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#14 : June 20, 2008, 11:57:36 AM

I don't lean towards anything. Some of the crops have been affected at the cellular level. So far,
no explanation has been given as to how human beings with a board and string can do that.

Aliens? ET? I never said that. It's unexplainable at this point. 99% of the scientific community
won't even look at the plant/soil data. Just like scientists wouldn't look into Galileo's telescope.
Nothing to see so why look?



Well I saw and read reports about some of these things you speak of. Which is why I said 99% are hoaxes.
I'll do some more research and post back in here regarding this to back up my statement because god forbid I don't do that.
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