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#15 : August 07, 2008, 10:14:23 AM

Well, the Packers are trying to make sure he ends his career in the worst possible way. The Jets suck, although they have delusions of being able to compete in the AFC.

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#16 : August 07, 2008, 10:17:19 AM

Wait till Brett starts throwing in the swirling wins of New Jersey...And it makes headlines on the back page in New York.
Then, he will know that he is not in GreenBay anymore.



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#17 : August 07, 2008, 10:23:33 AM

Not that I am in any way denigrating his ability as a GM, but now it's become painfully obvious that he's a chronic window shopper... and he certainly, isn't afraid to get outbid.  He dangles every free agent on the market in our faces.  Has there been a trade or free agent that hasn't been associated with The Bucs in the last 2 years?  From Charles Woodson, to Asante Samuel and now Brett Favre.  I'm starting to think he just likes to see the word "Bucs" in print.

You've got to be kidding, right? Bruce Allen is dangling these guys in your face? Really?

If you choose to be misled by the media, that's your own fault. Bruce isn't feeding them information about his dealings, in fact that's why the media has a chip on their collective shoulder about him. The Bucs get associated with all of these deals because the media has to speculate since they're not being spoon fed by Bruce like McKay did.

Heck, you erroneously even mention Asante Samuel in your post, and that's a guy I told you and everyone else here that the Bucs were flat-out not interested in.

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#18 : August 07, 2008, 10:29:05 AM

Not that I am in any way denigrating his ability as a GM, but now it's become painfully obvious that he's a chronic window shopper... and he certainly, isn't afraid to get outbid.  He dangles every free agent on the market in our faces.  Has there been a trade or free agent that hasn't been associated with The Bucs in the last 2 years?  From Charles Woodson, to Asante Samuel and now Brett Favre.  I'm starting to think he just likes to see the word "Bucs" in print.

You've got to be kidding, right? Bruce Allen is dangling these guys in your face? Really?

If you choose to be misled by the media, that's your own fault. Bruce isn't feeding them information about his dealings, in fact that's why the media has a chip on their collective shoulder about him. The Bucs get associated with all of these deals because the media has to speculate since they're not being spoon fed by Bruce like McKay did.

Heck, you erroneously even mention Asante Samuel in your post, and that's a guy I told you and everyone else here that the Bucs were flat-out not interested in.

Yeah, to his credit, BA absolutely had nothing to say about the Favre situation. It was all media speculation....but if he would have come out and said, "Sorry, we're not interested" I think a lot of this could have been avoided.

Agree with all of your points on the other players.


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#19 : August 07, 2008, 10:40:34 AM

Well I do think we were interested. To be fair, the Jets didn't come out and say they were interested either.

I am just wondering if this whole Favre deal will cost us. We could also come out looking like geniuses if Favre decides he is only going to play one year in New York and ends up sucking it up. It could cost us, though, if our own team is unstable due to the bantering we did.

I know you guys say Garcia is a professional and all that but it still has me a bit concerned as to what mindset he is going to have. I keep coming back to this - we need to find our QB. Garcia is good but for how long? I just don't think we've searched hard enough for the guy who will ultimately steer the franchise for years to come. We need to find that guy.

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#20 : August 07, 2008, 10:41:43 AM

Some of our fans are really stupid!


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#21 : August 07, 2008, 10:47:36 AM

Not that I am in any way denigrating his ability as a GM, but now it's become painfully obvious that he's a chronic window shopper... and he certainly, isn't afraid to get outbid. He dangles every free agent on the market in our faces. Has there been a trade or free agent that hasn't been associated with The Bucs in the last 2 years? From Charles Woodson, to Asante Samuel and now Brett Favre. I'm starting to think he just likes to see the word "Bucs" in print.

You've got to be kidding, right? Bruce Allen is dangling these guys in your face? Really?

If you choose to be misled by the media, that's your own fault. Bruce isn't feeding them information about his dealings, in fact that's why the media has a chip on their collective shoulder about him. The Bucs get associated with all of these deals because the media has to speculate since they're not being spoon fed by Bruce like McKay did.

Heck, you erroneously even mention Asante Samuel in your post, and that's a guy I told you and everyone else here that the Bucs were flat-out not interested in.

Yeah, to his credit, BA absolutely had nothing to say about the Favre situation. It was all media speculation....but if he would have come out and said, "Sorry, we're not interested" I think a lot of this could have been avoided.

Agree with all of your points on the other players.

This isn't a publicly held company.  Why does Bruce owe you or anyone else full disclosure?  He simply doesn't.  So don't expect it.  That is the part that's crazy.  If Favre was here you'd all be hailing him now you want to fire him cuz he didn't tell you what he was doing or not doing?

And who says there's not some good will in this down the road?  Bruce is good for a future back office deal through a failed one elsewhere.  

Without Carl Nix it feels like our running game just took a death blow to the face!


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#22 : August 07, 2008, 10:51:15 AM

Yeah, to his credit, BA absolutely had nothing to say about the Favre situation. It was all media speculation....but if he would have come out and said, "Sorry, we're not interested" I think a lot of this could have been avoided.

But they WERE interested, at least to a point.

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#23 : August 07, 2008, 11:01:21 AM

Not that I am in any way denigrating his ability as a GM, but now it's become painfully obvious that he's a chronic window shopper... and he certainly, isn't afraid to get outbid.  He dangles every free agent on the market in our faces.  Has there been a trade or free agent that hasn't been associated with The Bucs in the last 2 years?  From Charles Woodson, to Asante Samuel and now Brett Favre.  I'm starting to think he just likes to see the word "Bucs" in print.

You've got to be kidding, right? Bruce Allen is dangling these guys in your face? Really?

If you choose to be misled by the media, that's your own fault. Bruce isn't feeding them information about his dealings, in fact that's why the media has a chip on their collective shoulder about him. The Bucs get associated with all of these deals because the media has to speculate since they're not being spoon fed by Bruce like McKay did.

Heck, you erroneously even mention Asante Samuel in your post, and that's a guy I told you and everyone else here that the Bucs were flat-out not interested in.

Like I said, all in all I think Bruce Allen does a fabulous job.  Maybe Asante Samuel was a bad example.  Let's just talk about the guys who come for a visit.  We see a lot of free agents paraded through One Buc only to sign some where else... and then we find out The Bucs interest in the player was luke warm at best.  

The situation that strikes me most similar to this one is the Charles Woodson scenario.  When we got outbid by Green Bay.  I'm not saying it's a bad way to do business, it's probably pretty smart, I'm just saying as a fan you would like to see The Bucs come out on the other side of these bidding wars once in awhile.

The Bucs may not have said it, but clearly there was some interest in Brett.  If there wasn't then there was no reason to put the team and the fans through this.  


I tend to believe, that once you, officially or not, put your name in the sweepstakes it was important to land the guy.  It's like the air just deflated out of the season and it hasn't even started yet.  Plus, you got your already disgruntled starter that you now have to pull back from under the bus and dust off.  

Granted I don't know Jeff Garcia or how he will respond to this circus, but it wasn't exactly a vote of confidence he was looking for in the offseason.

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#24 : August 07, 2008, 11:14:00 AM

It's like the air just deflated out of the season and it hasn't even started yet.

Wow. Um, do you really... wow.

Ummm.

Hmmm.

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#25 : August 07, 2008, 11:57:01 AM

In order to come out on the winning side of bidding wars, especially in today's NFL you have to be willing to nearly mortgage your franchise's future. The Jets are willing to part with a 4th-1st round pick for Favre. I wouldn't give up a 1st round pick for the guy under any circumstances. Who knows how high that pick could be or what could be behind that door. Although the draft CAN be a crapshoot our recent choices have been real building blocks to the team we'll put on the field this year. With that said, we can't afford to mortgage our future.

Hat tip to Bruce Allen for recognizing that you build a championship team through the draft. Now let's hope we get a QB that way and that he lives up to Favre's stature (I know it's a dream).

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#26 : August 07, 2008, 12:26:28 PM

You know what's really disappointing...If you hate the Jets like I do then you know that this season's NFL news and many primetime games are going to be filled with Jets highlights and games now. Their fans are going to become even worse then they already are and thankfully we don't have to play them this year. If you thought the Giants fans were bad at the playoff game just multiply that times 10 in annoyance factor when you compare the two.

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#27 : August 07, 2008, 01:02:52 PM

You know what's really disappointing...If you hate the Jets like I do then you know that this season's NFL news and many primetime games are going to be filled with Jets highlights and games now. Their fans are going to become even worse then they already are and thankfully we don't have to play them this year. If you thought the Giants fans were bad at the playoff game just multiply that times 10 in annoyance factor when you compare the two.

I'm curious as to why anyone would hate the Jets. They've been pretty much irrelevant in the NY area. Even the Giant fans ignore them and vice versa.

I'm not sticking up for them at all. I just don't understand what the Jets could have done to make anyone dislike them.


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#28 : August 07, 2008, 01:16:43 PM

You know what's really disappointing...If you hate the Jets like I do then you know that this season's NFL news and many primetime games are going to be filled with Jets highlights and games now. Their fans are going to become even worse then they already are and thankfully we don't have to play them this year. If you thought the Giants fans were bad at the playoff game just multiply that times 10 in annoyance factor when you compare the two.

I'm curious as to why anyone would hate the Jets. They've been pretty much irrelevant in the NY area. Even the Giant fans ignore them and vice versa.

I'm not sticking up for them at all. I just don't understand what the Jets could have done to make anyone dislike them.



I just hate NY fans in general but the Jets fans are the worst of the bunch. In 2001 I bought my season tickets and during the Jets game their was a Jets fan standing in front of my section all game holding a Jets sign that he had folded up and snuck into the stadium. We were up at that point before Alstott fumbled twice down the stretch and they ended up winning. Well my section had had enough of this Jets fan yelling all game long while standing in the wheel chair section where he had bought scalped seats and all at once when he raised the sign about 50 beer cups flew over my head as I sat very unhappy about this guy's behavior. So about 2 seconds later up walks 6 Sheriff deputies to escort a group of about 15 Bucs fans out of the stadium. Two of them were the guy who sat behind me, who I had become good friends with, and his teenaged son. So I walked down with them to make sure that his son didn't get left behind or something, and when they were walking everyone to the elevator down to the outprocessing center I said goodbye and walked over to the bathroom. One Sheriff saw me thinking I was a part of the group and called me back over to be escorted out of the stadium. I tried to explain but they weren't hearing it. So I got outprocessed and almost lost my season tickets because of it. Fortunately I called on Monday and they said not to worry about it, but my hatred for the Jets and their garbage fans escalated that day. Besides that all the damn Yankees fans in Tampa are annoying enough so that just runs right over to any other NY team. Did you go to the playoff game last year? Did you witness the behavior or their fans?

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#29 : August 07, 2008, 01:19:29 PM

You know what's really disappointing...If you hate the Jets like I do then you know that this season's NFL news and many primetime games are going to be filled with Jets highlights and games now.

I'm happy. I want the Bucs to be shunned by the media. To me, that was the real downside to potentially acquiring Favre -- that the Bucs would have all that national media attention. Now the spotlight has turned off and the national media can go back to predicting a 6-10 season for our Buccaneers.
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