Buccaneer Fire Sale

[ABuccs Fan]

but WE CAN'T ...HE'S HURT, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HE'LL BE UPON RETURN, HE'S A FA AT THE END OF THE YEAR!!! Would you trade for Simms, something of value, hell a 5th round pick right now, would you pull the trigger?

I'd pull the trigger for a 7th...why?  because a 7th is better than nothing which is what we would get when he walks.

[caradoc]

Just a few things to get over since there are a few threads re this:

1) Simms has NO,ZERO,ZIP,NADA trade value.  He's UFA next year, and everyone knows we ain't gonna make a big offer or franchise him.  He won't be ready this year, so no "Desparate team" ala the Rattay trade scenario.  Has nothing to do with his skills, who likes him, or my opinion, just math.   If someone DOES trade for him, they're either the biggest sucker on the planet, or Matt Millen.   Actually, that's the same thing, isn't it?
2) Booger has almost no trade value.  If we tried to trade him, everyone would know why.  There are some situational possibilities, but it's not a secret that he sucks.  Maybe we could send him to ATL since McSnake obviously loves him.  We could get their Mascot in return.
3) Joey Galloway isn't trade bait until we have a fast, proven reciever to replace him.  Given M80's disappearance, Stovall's youth, and the lack of another No. 1 type vet, our WR corps is dangerously thin.  (Hilliard isn't a No. 1).  Until Joey shows he's slowing down (and he hasn't) he's staying herel, possibly until we're talking about the brown in his beard rather than the grey.
4) Rice is the biggest potential loss, but he is the only rush we have, and will NOT be let go until we have at least one single solitary player that shows he can rush regularly.  He also seems to be the only player on that side of the ball that has played with any heart this year. 

There's limited time before the trade deadline, so we won't have time to be sure if anyone can fill their shoes, so don't look for external moves until the offseason.  The only trade's we'll be doing (if any) are for picks. And the only place worth a pick is DT given what we are apparently seeing from next year's draft class.  All other areas we might be interested look like we can draft for.

I'd pull the trigger for a 7th...why? because a 7th is better than nothing which is what we would get when he walks.

I mean if your the GM trading FOR Simms...

[ABuccs Fan]

Just a few things to get over since there are a few threads re this:

1) Simms has NO,ZERO,ZIP,NADA trade value.  He's UFA next year, and everyone knows we ain't gonna make a big offer or franchise him. 

So what you're saying is it wouldn't be wise for a team that needs a QB and wants Simms to get a leg up on the other teams in the league that need a QB and may want Simms? If a team wants Simms, and is willing to part with a low draft pick, then that team doesn't have to enter a bidding war next spring do they. So yes, even though very little...he has some trade value.

[calicojack]

Simms' contract will expire, so nobody can really get a leg up on anyone else.

[ABuccs Fan]

Simms' contract will expire, so nobody can really get a leg up on anyone else.

Hellooooo McFly!!!!

[TURBO]

Yeah, I guess it's an uninformed shot at Simeon to say one year he talks about the team not being disciplined and the coaches not holding players accountable and then the very next year he gets suspended for a game. Don't fool yourself, Simeon has been a great player but he's not what he used to be and on a winning team his character is questionable on a losing team he's a malcontent. 

blah!

[gharen]

What ABuccs is saying is the team that trades for fim would probably have him sign a new contract, that way they lock him up for a couple years and if he does great they rip that contract up and give him a new one. It would make a lot of sense for a team that really likes him to trade for him now. They give up a low pick but they ensure themselves of getting the player they want and with his poor production and injury they get a good price for him. That keeps some other team from coming in during the offseason and driving the price up. It also gives them 3/4's of the year for him to start learning the system for next year. I would think KC would be a great place for him considering we heard last year that the Jets would give up a high choice for him, maybe Edwards still wants him.

[calicojack]

...and Simms willingly signs this lowball contract because???

[gharen]

He has NO LEVERAGE! And he's coming off an injury and a crappy year.

[caradoc]

When his contract expires he's still gonna look for the bidder.  Say KC trades for him.  They have NO guarantee he'll stay if OAK decides to offer him more in March.  His stats just don't deserve throwing a pick on a "maybe he'll stay", because open market bidding won't be that high.  An in-season trade for a guy with a 1 year deal is something that is realisticly not gonna happen.

[ABuccs Fan]

When his contract expires he's still gonna look for the bidder.  Say KC trades for him.  They have NO guarantee he'll stay if OAK decides to offer him more in March.  His stats just don't deserve throwing a pick on a "maybe he'll stay", because open market bidding won't be that high.  An in-season trade for a guy with a 1 year deal is something that is realisticly not gonna happen.

trade pending new deal....happens all the time

[Boid Fink]

trade pending new deal....happens all the time

Exactly.