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: September 12, 2008, 05:44:52 PM

There is no qb on the roster marrying.... maybe a one night stand but thats about it.

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#1 : September 12, 2008, 05:45:16 PM

you've gotta keep the timeline in mind - IIRC, the griese trade was prior to FA or the draft, but someone can fact-check that for me; it was clearly before anyone knew favre was an option, though....they did make a play for favre, regardless of how they try to play it down, and they failed....i can't think of one good QB in FA who would've made a difference.

honestly, i think alot of faith was (and still is) being put on the OL, running game, and defense to carry this team to the playoffs.  aside from favre there was no QB out there who would turn the passing game into a major asset, and so i think the goal was mainly to protect against a dropoff in play at the QB position should something bad happen. and griese accomplishes that, but not much else.

they were probably eyeing many of the WRs and potential QBs who would fall into 2009 free agency when they were being conservative last offseason, and the running game was clearly going to be the main cog this year....although it looks like gruden's wet dream of the eagles cutting mcnabb loose is no longer likely....

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#2 : September 12, 2008, 03:52:14 PM

Brad Johnson gave him a Super Bowl ring. Chris Simms gave him his spleen. Jeff Garcia gave him a division title and a contract extension.

So what did Jon Gruden give those three quarterbacks in return? The heave-ho in the case of Johnson and Simms and, at very least, the heave for Garcia. Yes, Gruden is playing musical quarterbacks again -- this time yanking the chair out from under Garcia, who had grabbed it about the same time Brett Favre started singing "New York, New York.''

Garcia, who went to the Pro Bowl last season, got pulled in favor of Brian Griese because Gruden doesn't think he is the same guy who went to the Pro Bowl last season.

All around Tampa Bay, which is a region and a body of water, not a city, the conspiracy theories are flying.

Spurned at the altar

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
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#3 : September 12, 2008, 04:01:04 PM

all of these QBs also stopped being good at football before getting the boot.

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#4 : September 12, 2008, 04:05:23 PM

oh goodness .. this is fairly inflammatory and hardly consistent with what i've come to expect from a "yuccaneers" post.

brad was 0-4 before he was benched. the guy was DONE. he hasn't done anything since.
simms got millions to rot on the bench while he recovered from his injuries. hardly unfair. its not like he's done anything to show he deserved a spot on this team this preseason.

garcia .. this story hasn't concluded. but jeez .. its not like he got benched after a stellar performance or after a victory. he wussied his way through OTAs, TC, Preseason and has lost his last 2 starts (Giants, Saints). the guy hasn't been a model leader off the field either.




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#5 : September 12, 2008, 04:05:43 PM

You stopped two paragraphs too short:

Some will tell you Gruden and general manager Bruce Allen are furious at Garcia for not keeping his mouth shut. He had the gall to ask for a raise and a contract extension after he lost out on a few million dollars in incentives last year. He made that crack about Gruden dating, but not marrying quarterbacks in training camp. And, just a few days ago, Garcia made some comment to a local columnist about how difficult it is to be prepared when you've missed almost the entire preseason.

That all got read by the people in the big offices at One Buc Place. They read every word and they're not above being vindictive.



That's a bad piece from Yasinskas...completely from an anti-Gruden POV...what about Garcia's performance late last year...His missing time for "injury"...There are two sides to the story like always...

The media is definitely not doing Gruden any favors in this thing -- even PR...

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#6 : September 12, 2008, 04:10:07 PM


yuccaneers .. did not realize this was a cut/paste of an article.  it didn't sound like something coming from you .. so now it makes more sense.

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#7 : September 12, 2008, 04:30:00 PM

That article wasn't all from an anti-Gruden point of view.

For example...

Gruden is always going to be looking for someone better. Is that really a fatal flaw in a football coach? Garcia is a big boy -- he's 38 and knows the NFL isn't the real world.

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#8 : September 12, 2008, 04:30:26 PM

This take doesn't make any sense at all. If it were purely out of spite, then Garcia would have never started the season in the first place. They doubted that he was the best choice for a long while, but decided to let him have the first shot at proving them wrong. He didn't, and he's being replaced.

They're not being vindictive. If they were firmly convinced that Garcia gave them the best chance to win games, then Garcia would be the starter. Period. End of story.

People in the media need to think, rather than just throw stuff on the wall to see if it sticks.

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#9 : September 12, 2008, 04:32:27 PM

Par for the course from Yasinskas ::)

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#10 : September 12, 2008, 04:33:25 PM

If they REALLY wanted to spite Garcia, they'd have cut him and kept Simms on the roster.

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#11 : September 12, 2008, 04:39:03 PM

This take doesn't make any sense at all. If it were purely out of spite, then Garcia would have never started the season in the first place. They doubted that he was the best choice for a long while, but decided to let him have the first shot at proving them wrong. He didn't, and he's being replaced.

They're not being vindictive. If they were firmly convinced that Garcia gave them the best chance to win games, then Garcia would be the starter. Period. End of story.

People in the media need to think, rather than just throw stuff on the wall to see if it sticks.


Well, that's a 180 view of the Yasinskas piece and Gruden and the FO do have some blame here for how this was handled and how it is now unfolding before our eyes...There are things in the piece that are correct like they should have gone all-in for Favre or stayed home...

I just love the false choice he set up at the beginning of the piece: Either Gruden/Allen decided to bury Garcia based on trivial matters -- or Garcia has a right to be hurt about the situation...

Nice choices there...

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#12 : September 12, 2008, 04:39:19 PM

If they REALLY wanted to spite Garcia, they'd have cut him and kept Simms on the roster.

Preach on Brother...AMEN!!!  And glad they weren't....spitefull that is...

Without Carl Nix it feels like our running game just took a death blow to the face!


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#13 : September 12, 2008, 04:40:15 PM

If they REALLY wanted to spite Garcia, they'd have cut him and kept Simms on the roster.

That would have been really spiteful to everybody...

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#14 : September 12, 2008, 04:45:10 PM

DTG - you stated that " They doubted that he was the best choice for a long while, but decided to let him have the first shot at proving them wrong. He didn't, and he's being replaced." So if they had such doubt why not look for a replacement or draft a player that has a huge upside.

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
"Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
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