The VP Debate

[ONEBIGDADDY]

Chicago too. Obama's home city. I would love to see the Headlines Obama Defeats McCain and McCain hold that paper up just like that. Truely classic.

Thats not going to happen now that we have the internet...OBD

[benir0]

Joe, Mark Twain made famous this phrase:
"There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."

If you truely believe that a public opinion poll is worth anything more than information purposes only....you are only fooling yourself. When I took statistics in college, the first day my professor said "political opinion polls are for the weak minds and uneducated to follow and believe."

The polls were wrong in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, and the 2008 primaries were also wrong. What makes you so sure and certain that these polls are correct now?

Maybe you are right, but you don't discuss on even footing.  McCain is down in polls, it's because the polling method of all of these multitudinous organizations aren't doing their job correctly.  If anyone publishes that McCain is in trouble, they're in the tank for Obama.

Here's just my perception: over the last few weeks since the RNC, starting with the selection of Palin, the McCain campaign has consistently taken risks that have not worked out.  The selection of Palin has been damaging to his credibility.  The waffling on stopping his campaign was a ploy that did not work out.  He was unable to force Obama to stop campaigning.  He just toed the line on the bailout.  Now he's withdrawing his resources from Michigan.

You can continue to deny it, but the McCain camp is in deep trouble right now, and I don't need polls to tell me that.  It ain't over, but McCain needs to get back to basics really quick, and rediscover the qualities that got him here.

[ufojoe]

And McCain needs to avoid getting lost on stage to have any chance in Nov...

Very Spinal Tap-ish...



Hello Cleveland!

[Lamond]

Heavens to Murgatroid! Even this cat knows you always "Exit Stage Right"...

[ufojoe]

Unfounded claim by Cyber...

According to the ratings...CNN and MSNBC crashed last night. FOX was through the roof.

Can we get a link where CNN and MSNBC crashed, or is that what O'reilly told you?

It was on Drudge earlier...

Drudge? LOL.

Fact.: CNN more than held  their own. That's not surprising since their bipartisan coverage has  been and was impressive. CNN has done a great job in catching FNC in the ratings game. MSNBC still lags behind.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/03/fox-news-breaks-records-cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-oct-2/5640#more-5640

9 PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FNC - **VP Debate (901PM-1033PM)�11,098,000 viewers
CNN - **SR/Vice Pres Debate 2008(902PM-1033PM)�10,685,000 viewers
MSNBC -**Debate (9PM-1035PM)–4,412,000 viewers
**Vice Presidential Debate (9PM-1030PM)�917,000 viewers
Glenn Beck- 292,000 viewers

10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FNC - **On the Record w/Greta (1033PM-11PM)�9,801,000 viewers
CNN - **Anderson Cooper 360(1033PM-11PM) –7,961,000 viewers
MSNBC - **Post Debate Analysis (1035PM-11PM)–3,778,000 viewers
**CNBC Special Report (1030PM-11PM) �592,000 viewers
Nancy Grace –472,000 viewers

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FNC - **VP Debate Analysis (11PM-1120PM)–6,977,000 viewers
FNC - **Hannity & Colmes(1120PM-12AM)�4,935,000 viewers
CNN - Anderson Cooper 360�4,477,000 viewers
MSNBC - Countdown w/Keith Olbermann–2,802,000 viewers
Mad Money�153,000 viewers
Showbiz Tonight– 481,000 viewers

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The younger people tell  the story...

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6601905.html?desc=topstory

Fox New Channel set its all-time viewing mark with its Palin-Biden presentation, averaging almost 11.1 million from 9:01 to 10:33 p.m., according to Nielsen data.

That was about 400,000 more than CNN’s 10.7 million average for the event held at Washington in St. Louis. The VP debate attracted the third-largest audience in CNN history.

MSNBC pulled in 4.4 million watchers on average for the forum Thursday night.

Fox News’s VP debate numbers surpassed the 9.7 million viewers it collected for President Bush’s March 19, 2003 Iraq invasion address. Led by the VP debate telecast, Fox News notched its highest primetime average ever Oct. 2 with 9.16 million watchers.

CNN claimed several demo wins, including the cable news sector's largest audience ever among persons 18 to 34. It was first among the adult 25-to-54 news demo with 4.52 million of those watchers, versus 3.75 million for Fox News and 1.86 million for MSNBC. Among adults 18 to 49, the Nielsen scorecards read 5.62 million for CNN, 3.11 million for Fox News and 1.68 million for MSNBC.

As mentioned, CNN set a cable news record with the 18-to-34 set with 3.17 million, compared with 906,000 and 817,000 for Fox News and MSNBC, respectively.

[kmitchell]

New Pewter Report Rule. NO Bible Quotes, No Fox News Reports, No MSNBC reports, No Drudge Reports.

[TheGladiator]

Drudge Reported the same numbers and still has them up (not sure what Cyber was referring to).:


ABC 13,130,000
NBC 12,820,000
CBS 11,100,000
FOXNEWS 11,098,000
CNN 10,685,000
FOX 4,500,000
MSNBC 4,412,000

[John Galt?]

Turrible Debate.

I thought the mod was throwing softballs at Biden then zinging fastballs at Palin.  But it didn't matter as both just ignored the questions and said whatever was in their notes/talking points.

My interpretation of the daebate:

Mod: Sen. Biden, what is your favorite color?

Biden: Before I answer that let me say I have know John McCain a long time and I admired him when his favorite color was green even though he also like yellow. But in the last 4 years 97% of his color choices have been red.

Mod: Govenor Palin, in 1989 McCain voted against an addendum to an amendment to Senate resolution no. 426 version 3 but then he later voted against cloiture on an addendum to amendment 621 to Senate bill 367, why...and do you still enjoy clubbing baby fur seals?

Palin: I'd like to state that, as any hockey mom knows, John McCain has shown no preference for the color red and he in fact despises yellow and what Sen. Biden said, as any Hockey mom knows, is wrong.