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#15 : October 05, 2008, 05:40:17 PM

  and i am so disgusted by what this country has become and feel so helpless i question whether i want to continue living here.

There is nothing wrong with the country or the American people and their makeup there is however a huge problem with the government, and has Thomas Jefferson stated, when the government infringes upon the people it governs it is time for change, and not the change advocated by Obama and McCain, these 2 nimrods, if they really believed their speechwriters would have voted NO to the bailout which is what the people wanted..............

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#16 : October 05, 2008, 07:25:31 PM

I'm surprised to see Prescott Bush's fascist views finally come up here.  Most people have NO idea of this story.  It'd make Obama bashers blush.

His grandson is making him proud.

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#17 : October 05, 2008, 08:10:27 PM

  and i am so disgusted by what this country has become and feel so helpless i question whether i want to continue living here.

There is nothing wrong with the country or the American people and their makeup there is however a huge problem with the government, and has Thomas Jefferson stated, when the government infringes upon the people it governs it is time for change, and not the change advocated by Obama and McCain, these 2 nimrods, if they really believed their speechwriters would have voted NO to the bailout which is what the people wanted..............

I think that's what Skull meant.

And, IMO, Obama is not the person I am talking about when I say people will be looking for a savior.

We haven't reached the point of desperation yet. The Nazis are waiting to pounce.

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#18 : October 05, 2008, 08:20:58 PM



Figured some (myself included) may like this:

59% Would Vote to Replace Entire Congress

Sunday, October 05, 2008



Congress was front and center in the national news last week and the American people were far from impressed. If they could vote to keep or replace the entire Congress, 59% of voters would like to throw them all out and start over again. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 17% would vote to keep the current legislators in office.

Today, just 23% have even a little confidence in the ability of Congress to deal with the nation�s economic problems and only 24% believe most Members of Congress understand legislation before they vote on it.

Last week, the House of Representatives initially rejected a financial bailout bill proposed by the Bush Administration. Later, after the Senate added a number of items that some call �pork� and others call �sweeteners,� the measure eventually passed. While the bill survived Washington, it did so at a time when just 30% of voters favored it and 45% were opposed.

Only half (49%) believe that the current Congress is better than individuals selected at random from the phone book. Thirty-three percent (33%) believe a randomly selected group of Americans could do a better job and 19% are not sure (see crosstabs).

A separate survey found that just 11% of voters say Congress is doing a good or an excellent job. (see crosstabs and recent trends).

This may be the worst part

Despite these reviews, more than 90% of Congress is likely to be elected this November due to an electoral system designed to benefit incumbents. The biggest advantage offered those in the House of Representatives is a process known as Gerrymandering where Congressional Districts are loaded with friendly voters from Representative’s own party. In effect, Members of Congress—working through their state legislature--get to choose their voters rather than letting voters choose their Congressman.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/59_would_vote_to_replace_entire_congress

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#19 : October 06, 2008, 07:51:00 AM

This is info for the first bailout that failed (thanks myagi for pointing this out) as I am too lazy now to find the updated list.  Some of these changed their no's to yeses in the bill that passed. Since most of us live in Florida, here's how your congressperson voted: (Y is yes, N is no)
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Democrats — Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, N; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Mahoney, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y; Wexler, Y.
Republicans — Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, Y; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Feeney, N; Keller, N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Putnam, Y; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Weldon, Y; Young, N.

As far as the Senate goes, in Florida Nelson voted no, Martinez yes.

For those of you in other states, here's the link that has your state and how your congresspeeps voted: http://news.aol.com/article/how-house-lawmakers-voted-on-bailout/194032

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#20 : October 06, 2008, 08:43:45 AM

Since most of us live in Florida, here's how your congressperson voted: (Y is yes, N is no)
FLORIDA
Democrats — Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, N; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Mahoney, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y; Wexler, Y.
Republicans — Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, Y; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Feeney, N; Keller, N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Putnam, Y; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Weldon, Y; Young, N.

As far as the Senate goes, in Florida Nelson voted no, Martinez yes.

For those of you in other states, here's the link that has your state and how your congresspeeps voted: http://news.aol.com/article/how-house-lawmakers-voted-on-bailout/194032
I think that reflects how they voted on the first bailout plan (the one that didn't pass).

Some of those votes changes for the second bailout package.

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#21 : October 06, 2008, 09:27:49 AM

Since most of us live in Florida, here's how your congressperson voted: (Y is yes, N is no)
FLORIDA
Democrats — Boyd, Y; Brown, Corrine, Y; Castor, N; Hastings, Y; Klein, Y; Mahoney, Y; Meek, Y; Wasserman Schultz, Y; Wexler, Y.
Republicans — Bilirakis, N; Brown-Waite, Ginny, N; Buchanan, N; Crenshaw, Y; Diaz-Balart, L., N; Diaz-Balart, M., N; Feeney, N; Keller, N; Mack, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Putnam, Y; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Stearns, N; Weldon, Y; Young, N.

As far as the Senate goes, in Florida Nelson voted no, Martinez yes.

For those of you in other states, here's the link that has your state and how your congresspeeps voted: http://news.aol.com/article/how-house-lawmakers-voted-on-bailout/194032
I think that reflects how they voted on the first bailout plan (the one that didn't pass).

Some of those votes changes for the second bailout package.
Sorry, you're right.  I updated my post but couldn't easily find the list of who voted how on the second bailout package.  You'd think with all the media coverage of this it would be easy to google.

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#22 : October 07, 2008, 01:34:19 AM

The Patriot Act is an example of giving up Civil liberties for stability and safety. I fear my government more than any foreign power.

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