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#60 : October 22, 2008, 12:12:35 PM

      TEAM     RK     PTS     %     RK     PTS     %     A&H     RB     CM     KM     JS     PW     %     COMP AVG     BCS AVG     PRVS
1   Texas   1   2838   .9958   1   1522   .9980   25   25   25   25   25   25   1.000   1   .9979   NR
2   Alabama   2   2692   .9446   2   1436   .9416   24   24   24   24   24   24   .960   2   .9487   NR
3   Penn State   3   2631   .9232   3   1413   .9266   21   20   21   16   18   15   .750   7   .8666   NR
4   Oklahoma   4   2357   .8270   5   1218   .7987   17   23   20   23   22   22   .870   4   .8319   NR
5   USC   5   2327   .8165   4   1264   .8289   14   22   16   19   16   17   .680   10   .7751   NR
6   Oklahoma State   8   2046   .7179   8   1083   .7102   23   16   23   22   23   21   .890   3   .7727   NR
7   Georgia   9   1997   .7007   9   1067   .6997   18   19   19   21   17   20   .760   6   .7201   NR
8   Texas Tech   7   2179   .7646   6   1210   .7934   15   7   15   14   14   18   .580   11   .7127   NR
9   Ohio State   10   1814   .6365   10   995   .6525   19   21   22   19   20   23   .820   5   .7030   NR
10   Florida   6   2225   .7807   7   1184   .7764   16   18   14   15   9   6   .540   12   .6690   NR
11   Utah   12   1679   .5891   12   891   .5843   20   15   18   20   21   13   .730   8   .6345   NR
12   Boise State   13   1498   .5256   13   786   .5154   22   14   17   17   19   19   .720   9   .5870   NR
13   LSU   11   1750   .6140   11   903   .5921   5   17   1   7   10   7   .290   T-19   .4987   NR
14   TCU   15   990   .3474   15   582   .3816   12   13   13   13   15   14   .530   13   .4197   NR
15   Missouri   16   978   .3432   16   551   .3613   9   12   4   11   11   9   .400   14   .3682   NR
16   South Florida   14   1160   .4070   14   643   .4216   2   5   5   5   2   4   .160   23   .3296   NR
17   Pitt   18   763   .2677   20   292   .1915   13   0   12   9   8   10   .390   15   .2831   NR
18   Georgia Tech   22   503   .1765   21   282   .1849   4   8   8   12   12   8   .360   16   .2405   NR
19   Tulsa   21   528   .1853   19   328   .2151   11   1   11   6   3   11   .310   18   .2368   NR
20   Ball State   20   578   .2028   22   274   .1797   8   0   9   2   13   16   .320   17   .2342   NR
21   BYU   17   932   .3270   17   464   .3043   0   10   2   0   0   0   .020   T-25   .2171   NR
22   Northwestern   26   228   .0800   24   177   .1161   10   0   10   10   6   3   .290   T-19   .1620   NR
23   Kansas   19   634   .2225   18   342   .2243   0   11   0   0   0   0   .000   NR   .1489   NR
24   Minnesota   25   284   .0996   25   165   .1082   7   0   7   1   7   12   .220   T-21   .1426   NR
25   Florida State   23   447   .1568   23   258   .1692   1   0   3   0   0   0   .010   T-27   .1120   NR


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#61 : October 22, 2008, 12:18:03 PM

YET again, you miss the point.�

I never said the "BCS is pointless."� Just following the rankings in October is pointless.� Geez...

You said "worthless."

The rankings in October and what happens in October affects the rankings.  It's a pretty simple connection to make.


I understand that the BCS standings are used to select the two championship teams.� But they use the LAST one to do that -- not the ones from October or November.� The next rankings that come out render the previous one meaningless.� And that continues until we get the one that actually MATTERS -- the LAST one.

Yeah, the idea to just put out one poll at the end of the year will fix all of the problems with the BCS...


How many teams have played in the "title" game based on BCS rankings from October?

USC and Oklahoma.


And let's keep in mind, Biggs, that when I stated "people still follow this crap?", you didn't HAVE to respond.� I was actually just merely making a joke with my original post.� I'm truly sorry it bothered you so much.

You could've ignored me -- but you didn't -- you engaged ME.� Don't act like I dragged you into this conversation and then try to act like the "grown-up".

Not upset at all.  Shocked at the notion that discussing the system that determines who plays in the championship, however flawed it is, is "crap."  It is what it is, and is worth discussing.  If you don't believe it to be so, then don't.

Meanwhile, this thread has gone two pages discussing and "following this crap." ;)


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#62 : October 22, 2008, 12:33:21 PM

The rankings in October and what happens in October affects the rankings.� It's a pretty simple connection to make.

HOW?

What HAPPENS in October obviously affects the season.  But in the grand scheme of things, how does someone's ranking in October matter come December?

The whole reason the BCS was created was to pick the Top 2 teams AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  Not to determine who's #15 in October -- or even who's #15 in January... 


USC and Oklahoma.

Nope.  They played in the title game based on the BCS rankings that came out at the end of the regular season -- after the conference title games -- not the ones from October. 

Try again.


Meanwhile, this thread has gone two pages discussing and "following this crap." ;)

Its gone two pages because you continue to miss the point:

THE ONLY BCS RANKINGS THAT MATTER ARE THE ONES THAT COME OUT AFTER THE REGULAR SEASON.

You still haven't told me how the ones from October matter to the ones in December.

Here's an easy way to see it... How many teams were #2 in the BCS rankings at some point last season?  Was that really necessary?

Honestly, I'd probably have less of a problem with the BCS if it just gave us the top 2, 3 or even 4 teams come middle of November.  Ranking them up to 25 in October (or anytime) is POINTLESS and WORTHLESS.  Unless you can tell me what it means for FSU to be #25 right now....  Can you?

Hint:  NOTHING.


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#63 : October 22, 2008, 12:59:12 PM

It's easier to rank a team when you can see, on a poll, how they moved up and down during the season.

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#64 : October 22, 2008, 01:38:07 PM

HOW?

What HAPPENS in October obviously affects the season.� But in the grand scheme of things, how does someone's ranking in October matter come December?

The whole reason the BCS was created was to pick the Top 2 teams AT THE END OF THE SEASON.� Not to determine who's #15 in October -- or even who's #15 in January...

I've already been over this with you before.  A team who starts off higher in the polls can take a loss and get back in the race.  A #15 ranked team can't afford to lose.  That's the system, that's how it works.

USC and Oklahoma.

Nope.� They played in the title game based on the BCS rankings that came out at the end of the regular season -- after the conference title games -- not the ones from October.�

Try again.

Really?  Do you think Auburn would have played in the title game if they were number 2 in rankings from October?

But, the rankings in October don't matter....


Its gone two pages because you continue to miss the point:

THE ONLY BCS RANKINGS THAT MATTER ARE THE ONES THAT COME OUT AFTER THE REGULAR SEASON.

You still haven't told me how the ones from October matter to the ones in December.

Here's an easy way to see it... How many teams were #2 in the BCS rankings at some point last season?� Was that really necessary?

Honestly, I'd probably have less of a problem with the BCS if it just gave us the top 2, 3 or even 4 teams come middle of November.� Ranking them up to 25 in October (or anytime) is POINTLESS and WORTHLESS.� Unless you can tell me what it means for FSU to be #25 right now....� Can you?

Hint:� NOTHING.

You have continued to miss the point.  See your USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn example.  Let me try to say this another way, since the first five don't seem to have worked:  If Auburn would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in October, do you think they would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in December?  Now, don't tell the rankings in October don't mean anything.

If you think only one BCS poll coming out in December is going to make the BCS system better, I would disagree with that.  There are bigger problems with the system then when the poll comes out.  But that is the system we have in place right now, and it will be discussed on the College Football board.


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#65 : October 22, 2008, 05:15:24 PM

If Auburn would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in October, do you think they would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in December? �Now, don't tell the rankings in October don't mean anything.

Can't say for sure.  Georgia got leapfrogged in the polls earlier this season without losing.  Ranking teams early in the season based on 1 or 2 games or even HALF a season doesn't make much sense.

So the only way having BCS rankings all season long is useful is if the #1 and #2 teams NEVER lose or move.  That's a GREAT reason to have rankings in October... because that ALWAYS happens.

1 year out of 10 that the #1 and #2 teams didn't move.  That makes October/November rankings useful?  Hardly.  That actually makes the system even MORE flawed.  Who knew that was even possible.


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#66 : October 22, 2008, 05:17:19 PM

It's easier to rank a team when you can see, on a poll, how they moved up and down during the season.

Is it?  At the beginning of the season, the voters start from scratch anyways -- but base it on purely speculation and projections -- which are usually never right.

At least at the end of the season, it'd be based SOLELY on ACTUAL results, instead of actual results mixed with inaccurate projections and rankings from August.


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#67 : October 22, 2008, 05:33:02 PM

If Auburn would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in October, do you think they would have been ranked 1st or 2nd in December? �Now, don't tell the rankings in October don't mean anything.

Can't say for sure.  Georgia got leapfrogged in the polls earlier this season without losing.  Ranking teams early in the season based on 1 or 2 games or even HALF a season doesn't make much sense.

Georgia got leapfrogged in early September, not the middle of October.   Big difference.

The preseason rankings ARE ridiculous, but the BCS coming out in the middle of October is not.  There are lots of problems with the BCS, the timing of the polls isn't one of them.


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#68 : October 22, 2008, 05:53:08 PM

SO why does Georgia get leapped so early??  Neither they nor USC had lost at that point.  The reason is because people who don't play with a vote picked their darlings instead of the Dogs. 

The way teams are ranked is a complete bust as well.

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#69 : October 22, 2008, 06:02:17 PM

SO why does Georgia get leapped so early??

Because they didn't look very good against South Carolina and Oklahoma crushed Washington.

I would probably be pissed if it happened to my team, but the drop understandable.

Also, that wasn't the BCS, it was the Coaches and AP.


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#70 : October 26, 2008, 07:58:35 PM

Updated Today:

1.  Texas
2.  Alabama
3.  Penn State
4.  Oklahoma
5.  USC
6.  Georgia
7.  Texas Tech
8.  Florida
9.  Oklahoma State
10.  Utah

15.  Florida State


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#71 : October 26, 2008, 08:05:32 PM

Updated Today:

1.  Texas
2.  Alabama
3.  Penn State
4.  Oklahoma
5.  USC
6.  Georgia
7.  Texas Tech
8.  Florida
9.  Oklahoma State
10.  Utah

15.  Florida State

Utah is sooo overrated.


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#72 : October 27, 2008, 08:41:46 AM

Utah, OSU and Texas Tech. Go head and yank them off that list cause they dont belong.

FSU at 15 is kinda high if you ask me.

Probably be Penn St and Texas in title game.

Texas will deserve it if they do undefeated. Penn St? That's a joke. Another cup cake schedule by a Big 10 team that will get their butts whipped in the title game.

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#73 : October 27, 2008, 10:09:16 AM

FSU at 15 is kinda high if you ask me.

Speaking as an FSU alum ... I'd have a hard time arguing with you.

On the other hand, it's really, really hard to imagine the team not dropping at least a couple of the games they have coming up, so it's probably not worth getting to upset about either.  Things'll work themselves out.

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#74 : October 27, 2008, 11:13:17 AM

I'm really rooting for the top 3 to all go undefeated.  If so, ALL 3 would have good arguments to play for the title...

We need about 5 seasons in a row like that -- then maybe we'd get a real solution.

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