Gator Recruiting

[rayfsc07]

Maybe we can bundle all the Gator Recruiting news in one thread.

As most know we had 9 guys enroll early, all exceptional students as well as athletes as all boast a 3.0 GPA or higher.  Here are some 40 times that are just in from the past few days from some of those 9.

Cameron Newton - 4.50  This is just insane.  He is a 6'6 230 lb. QB with 4.50 speed? 

Joe Haden - 4.30  on GRASS....  Was a QB in HS, going to switch to WR at UF.  Guy can flat out burn.  Having him, Fayson, Harvin, and Rainey is going to be great to watch.  These guys are built for the spread.

Ahmad Black - 4.47  DB from Lakeland, ran about what expected, he is going to be a great player when all is said and done.  Exceptionally smart kid too.

Paul Wilson - 4.57  A little disappointing as he is faster than this, but that being said the guy catches anything near him and is a GREAT blocker from the WR position.  At Reebok Camp last year he was 2nd fastest guy there, beating Rainey, Deonte Thompson, Caleb king, and others, so not sure what happened here.



We have 13 guys on campus right now for visits, including top DE Recruit Justin Trattou of Don Boscoe Prep in New Jersey.  He is committed to ND but apparantly is visiting UF this week with his dad.  Could we steal another recruit?  Top S Chad Jones is also in as well as one of the top WR recruits in Ahmad Paige.  Paige is said to be torn between us and FSU.

[rayfsc07]

Rumor has it Trattou is going around telling everyone he is now a Gator.

Stay tuned.

If UF doesn't have a top 1-2 recruting class there's something wrong.

[rayfsc07]

Rivals is all on USC's nuts, so hard ot pass them there, but Scout we will probably have #1 barring a few guys bolt last minute.

[rayfsc07]

By the way, there were some folks going around calling Rainey a dummy and saying he wouldn't qualify and would have to go to Prep School.  I won't mention any names, but I am proud to say Rainey's grades are fine and he got a 26 on his ACT, which is a very respectable score.  I am betting some of the people going around calling him a dummy didn't even score that high.


Devine I hear is about 50-50 to qualify at this juncture. 

I may have called him an idiot, but not in regards to his intelligence, but rather his comments about "It's damn good being Chris Rainey." Of course now he's cleared so I withdraw the animosity I had towards the comments.

[rayfsc07]

I may have called him an idiot, but not in regards to his intelligence, but rather his comments about "It's damn good being Chris Rainey." Of course now he's cleared so I withdraw the animosity I had towards the comments.

There were certain other posters who said, in a nutshell, "he is an idiot who will have to go to Prep school, so he is not worth mentioning."

In that case it wouldn't be me.

[krazybuc]

Frickin Gators are gonna be sick for the new few years. That team is gonna be so much faster than everyone else and Tebow as a full time starter is gonna be sick.

[karen anderson]

 

[SnookAU]

How many scholarships can UF give out this year?  Just curious - saw where you've got 23 this year and 27 last year.  Its gotta be approaching the limit.

Any light on this?

I get a 23 on the ACT, but I never said anything bad about Rainey. I dont even know who he is really. But didnt the scoring for the ACT changed recently? What would a 26 on the ACT have been 5 years ago

[bucnut]

From Swamp Gas, 2007 Florida Gator Commitments:

DB 5-11 170 Ahmad Black of Lakeland FL

QB 6-3 195 John Brantley of Ocala FL

DE 6-4 250 Sidell Corley of Mobile AL

DT 6-5 290 Torrey Davis of Seffner FL

DB 6-2 220 Lorenzo Edwards of Orlando FL

CB 6-1 180 Justin Grant of Ponte Vedra Beach FL

Ath 5-10 189 Joe Haden of Fort Washington MD

K 6-3 180 Chas Henry of Dallas GA

TE 6-4 235 Aaron Hernandez of Bristol CT

DE 6-4 240 Jerry Howard of Orlando FL

DE 6-3 210 John Jones of Sarasota FL

DE 6-5 231 Duke Lemmons of Westlake Village CA

QB 6-4 232 Cameron Newton of Atlanta GA

OL 6-4 280 James Pouncey of Lakeland FL

OL 6-4 287 LaShawn Pouncey of Lakeland FL

RB 5-8 160 Chris Rainey of Lakeland FL

ATH 6-0 175 Bert Reed of Panama City FL

CB 6-1 165 DeMarcus Van Dyke of Miami FL

QB 6-4 230 Bryan Waggener of Glendora CA

DB 6-2 195 Steve Wilks of Lakeland FL

RB 6-1 203 Bo Williams of Oakland Park FL

OL 6-5 305 James Wilson of St. Augustine FL

WR 6-1 175 Paul Wilson of Lakeland FL

[SnookAU]

Do they have scholarships for all those guys?

Just wondering if anyone has the breakdown.

[rayfsc07]

Snook, it looks like we can take 28 guys right now.  But rumor has it we will take one less and save it for Spiller in August.  Word is NCAA rules prohibit a player from leaving until after 1 year if not given permission.  This is why Spiller stayed at Clemson this semester.  The rumor has him transferring to UF by August. 

I got this breakdown from another forum.  It explains the rules on numbers:



There are two primary limitations on the number of scholarships a school can offer to new recruits, and these are known as the “85/25� rules. In a nutshell, the rules say that a school can only have a maximum of 85 players on scholarship at a time and a maximum of 25 per recruiting class. The rules sound simple enough, but there are certain aspects of recruiting that make them somewhat confusing.

 Let’s start with the 85 rule first. Every semester, the football program turns in to the NCAA a list of 85 (or less) names of players on a football scholarship for that semester. If a team turns in 85 names in August and has 5 kids graduate in December, then they can add a new five names to the list that they submit in January for the following semester. These would either be walk-ons or “early enrolleesâ€� (which will be discussed later). But regardless, the maximum number of football scholarships per semester is 85.

 Note: If a football player also plays another sport, he must still count as a football scholarship (the “Bear Bryantâ€� rule). If, however, the athlete plays the other sport first in college and does not play or practice football at all, then his scholarship does not count as a football scholarship unless and until he starts up with football practice. So, a kid can come to school on a track or baseball scholarship for the Spring semester and not count against the football numbers… but he couldn’t do any football-related practices or activities that semester.

 Now let’s deal with the 25 rule and the different ways in which it can be applied. The cut and dry rule is that only 25 “newâ€� names can be on the list that a school turns in to the NCAA each August. Thus, if a school signs 25 recruits in February and they all enroll in August, then those 25 names would be the 25 “newâ€� names on the scholarship list. Now comes the math.

 For a school to be able to add a full slate of 25 new names to their scholarship list, then they would only be able to “carry overâ€� 60 names from the prior school year (85-25=60). If a school started in August with 85 scholarship names and only had 15 players graduate or leave the team by the following August, then they would only have room for 15 “newâ€� scholarships that second August. In this situation, the 25 rule would be irrelevant because the 85 rule would be the limiting factor. This is why you see and hear about schools with “low scholarship availabilityâ€� in certain recruiting years.

 Questions often arise about “counting recruits back to the previous class.â€� This can only happen when a school is below both the 85 rule and the 25 rule when they submit their scholarship list.

 For instance: A school turns in a scholarship list to the NCAA in August that has 15 “newâ€� names on it and 80 total names on it. This school still has room for 10 additional “recruitsâ€� in that class under the 25 rule (since they only added 15 new names to their annual list), but there is really only room for 5 more scholarships under the 85 rule.

 So, when January rolls around, that school can go out and get 5 more new recruits and add them to their August scholarship list to finally get up to their maximum of 85. And, because they still had room under the 25 rule for all 5 of those recruits, then all 5 of them could “count backâ€� to the previous year’s class.

 This would allow the school to then go out in February and sign an additional 25 kids for their next recruiting class. The numbers never carry forward, so the max per class is always 25. Remember, however, that the only way all 25 of these kids will be able to get scholarships in August will be for the school to lose 25 of their current scholarships to graduation or attrition (if their scholarship list from the previous year was full at 85).

 The other situation is where a school brings in early enrollees in January who do not “count backâ€� to the previous year’s recruiting class. This happens when a school has used up its full allotment of 25 “newâ€� names in August, but is below the 85 limit in January. In other words, the school turned in a list to the NCAA in August with 75 names on it, and 25 of them were “newâ€� names that were not on the list the previous August.

 This school is 10 scholarships below their maximum capacity, but they filled up their recruiting class and therefore cannot add any more names this August. If they can find kids who want to enroll in school in January, then they could have up to 10 kids do this because they are 10 below the 85 limit… but these kids cannot “count backâ€� to the previous class. These January kids will simply count as the first 10 of the 25 recruits that the school can sign a month later in February (signing day).

 Or, a school may be maxed out at 85 scholarships in August, but they may have 7 scholarships come available in December when graduation occurs. They can add 7 new enrollees on scholarship in January, but how many will “count backâ€�? Well, that all depends on how many were in their last recruiting class (which is the same as how many “new namesâ€� were on their August scholarship list compared to the previous August).

 If their recruiting class from the previous year was at 22, then they can have 3 of the January kids “count backâ€� (to get them to their max of 25) and the other 4 will “count forwardâ€� as the first 4 kids of the next recruiting class.

 OK so far?

 In January of 2007, the University of Florida had nine kids enroll in January on football scholarship. They could do this because they were at least 9 spots short of the 85 player limit after December graduation. However, only 3 of the 9 could “count backâ€� to the previous year’s recruiting class, because UF had only added 22 “newâ€� names to their scholarship list that August. These 3 “newâ€� names in January put UF at the 25 limit for new scholarships in 2006… so the other 6 kids who enrolled in January will count towards the 2007 limit of 25.

 Remember, the 85 limit is semester-to-semester. You can have an old guy on scholarship for the fall and then give the same scholarship to a new guy in the spring. The 25 limit is August-to-August. If you add a “newâ€� name to your 85 list in January… then for the purposes of the 25 rule, he will either count towards the previous August or the following August. Again, he can only count “backâ€� towards the previous August if the school was below the 25 rule at that time in August. Otherwise, if a school has met their 25 limit in August, then the January enrollee will count towards the 25 limit for the following August’s scholarship list.

 A “greyshirtâ€� is when a school asks a kid to come play football as a “walk-onâ€� for the first Fall semester and then go on scholarship the following January. For instance, suppose that a school goes into signing day with 60 kids on scholarship and then signs their full allotment of 25 recruits. This would put them right at the 85 limit and the 25 limit when football season rolls around in August. There would be no room for anyone else to be on scholarship.

 But, if a kid wanted to come to UF and play football bad enough, then he could choose to enroll at Florida in the fall and play football as a “walk-onâ€� because there is no limit on how many of these a team can have. The “greyshirtâ€� would probably use Pell Grants to pay his tuition for that Fall semester, and would then be given a scholarship the following January when some of the players graduate in December and the team therefore falls below the 85 limit. This kid would not count “backâ€� to the previous recruiting class, but would count as recruit #1 for the 25 recruits that the school could sign that February.