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#15 : October 31, 2008, 09:00:03 PM

I pity folks who will have the government reach deeper into their pockets taking money away from those who earned it. 

I'm not sure I could ever pity someone, over something financially, who annually nets over a quarter of a million dollars .....

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#16 : October 31, 2008, 09:03:11 PM

I pity folks who will have the government reach deeper into their pockets taking money away from those who earned it. 

I'm not sure I could ever pity someone, over something financially, who annually nets over a quarter of a million dollars .....

Not really... Biden said yesturday that the threshold is 150,000 and now Bill Richardson said $120,000 today.

It will be down to $50,000 by election day at the rate they are dropping that number.

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#17 : October 31, 2008, 09:17:17 PM

dbuc - we are talking about 4-5% of taxable earnings over $250k a year.

You could easily argue that most that earn over $250k a year do not actually "earn" a portion of that money in the true sense of the word.

Fact is through ten years of socialist government with slightly higher taxes the UK has created more jobs than the US.

 
Just picking two comments - I would love to engage in the "argument" or discussion of how folks "earn" their money.  As I recall in the first few year I was in business no one sent me any money for free, nor did they pump their assets into my company while it was built.  It was my money, my resources, my employee selection, my setting of a successful environment that unfettered qualified and adept folks I brought in to help in running the company that made it successful.  Now if you want to say I don't individually make every call, meet every customer... well that is accurate - I simply provide the business model that enable two partners to retire after 7 years and am bringing the second group to the brink of similar success.

So I would offer that individual success is earned and not lucked into.

As for the jobs - more jobs created in the UK - really?  Not saying you are incorrect bc I don't know - but it is borderline unimaginable - just given population differences.  And I do have multiple issues with socialism - and am damned uncomfortable with UK's move towards it.

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#18 : October 31, 2008, 09:23:53 PM


So I would offer that individual success is earned and not lucked into.

Actually luck can and does play a major part in many peoples/businesses successes.  Right place right time beats hard work every time.  I could actually list several examples of people I know, and know of, that have made money relatively easily and with more luck than endeavor.

Not saying that is alwasy the case, far from it but luck/opportunity is a factor.



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#19 : October 31, 2008, 09:36:54 PM

I pity folks who will have the government reach deeper into their pockets taking money away from those who earned it. 

I'm not sure I could ever pity someone, over something financially, who annually nets over a quarter of a million dollars .....

Not really... Biden said yesturday that the threshold is 150,000 and now Bill Richardson said $120,000 today.

It will be down to $50,000 by election day at the rate they are dropping that number.

Neither Biden nor Richardson will be setting that figure when the time comes...

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#20 : October 31, 2008, 09:46:33 PM


So I would offer that individual success is earned and not lucked into.

Actually luck can and does play a major part in many peoples/businesses successes.  Right place right time beats hard work every time.  I could actually list several examples of people I know, and know of, that have made money relatively easily and with more luck than endeavor.

Not saying that is alwasy the case, far from it but luck/opportunity is a factor.

For every lucky success I have met dozens whose diligence and effort were the major factors.  Good fortune and bad fortune are always there - but the common denominator of the successful folks I know has much more to do with their morality and ethics than any good fortune.  OLD ADAGE TIME - the harder I work the luckier I get... love those adages MJS

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#21 : October 31, 2008, 09:54:40 PM

I pity folks who will have the government reach deeper into their pockets taking money away from those who earned it.  

Like when Reagan did it?

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#22 : October 31, 2008, 10:04:31 PM

I am consistent in my feelings about the Income Tax joe - I don't care if it is a Republican, a Democrat, Independent or Martian - and to have someone tell you he wants your money so he can distribute it to folks without your consent or at least implied consent reeks - and you can pick the term - class warfare or any of the other phrases folks have used. 

It is one thing for National Transportation, National Defense, National Parks - it is quite another to send money to individual groups of folks, to companies, or other favored destinations.

It is one thing to create enforce retirement benefits via Social Security - it is quite another to expand beneficiaries to folks who haven't contributed to the fund.

Right and wrong aren't really that hard - unless folks make it hard.  See the ACLU

And I really don't care if the folks who run the Country are Republicans or Democrats - I just hope they know how to be Americans. 

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