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: November 01, 2008, 08:56:30 AM

.....and now support John McCain, your priority is your party over your country. Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff and Collin Powell are men who consider their country first.

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#1 : November 01, 2008, 09:08:25 AM

What does Obama offer again?

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#2 : November 01, 2008, 10:13:39 AM

What does Obama offer again?

Ive bben waiting for that answer for about a year now. The only thing I get told is "CHANGE".  LOL


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#3 : November 01, 2008, 10:18:57 AM

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

If you feel like reading, it is all there. I am just wasting my time though. This forum has changed 0 peoples minds on who they are going to vote for.


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#4 : November 01, 2008, 10:19:17 AM

.....and now support John McCain, your priority is your party over your country. Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff and Collin Powell are men who consider their country first.

I just don't see how anybody can support a candidate who has run such a poor campaign. That doesn't mean a vote
for Obama.

Vote 3rd party if nothing else.


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#5 : November 01, 2008, 11:00:48 AM

.....and now support John McCain, your priority is your party over your country. Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff and Collin Powell are men who consider their country first.

I just don't see how anybody can support a candidate who has run such a poor campaign. That doesn't mean a vote
for Obama.

Vote 3rd party if nothing else.



A 3rd party vote is a wasted vote.

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#6 : November 01, 2008, 11:07:47 AM

.....and now support John McCain, your priority is your party over your country. Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff and Collin Powell are men who consider their country first.

I just don't see how anybody can support a candidate who has run such a poor campaign. That doesn't mean a vote
for Obama.

Vote 3rd party if nothing else.



A 3rd party vote is a wasted vote.

Who's priority is party over country now?

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#7 : November 01, 2008, 02:20:32 PM

.....and now support John McCain, your priority is your party over your country. Ronald Reagan's Chief of Staff and Collin Powell are men who consider their country first.

I just don't see how anybody can support a candidate who has run such a poor campaign. That doesn't mean a vote
for Obama.

Vote 3rd party if nothing else.



A 3rd party vote is a wasted vote.

Who's priority is party over country now?

It only applies to Republicans.

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

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#8 : November 01, 2008, 03:29:52 PM

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

If you feel like reading, it is all there. I am just wasting my time though. This forum has changed 0 peoples minds on who they are going to vote for.

Well, DUHH.

What did you expect from a Football Site? People looking for political perspective or people looking for more REd Zone production.


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#9 : November 01, 2008, 03:55:10 PM

If Reagan was alive today, he'd be shaking his head if he knew his chief of staff was endorsing a candidate that only cares about expanding the size of government to solve everyone's problems. That flies completely in the face of everything Reagan supported.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' "
-Ronald Reagan

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives"
-Ronald Reagan

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
-Ronald Reagan

Wonder how Obama is going to pay off all these bribes....

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#10 : November 01, 2008, 04:26:22 PM

If Reagan was alive today, he'd be shaking his head if he knew his chief of staff was endorsing a candidate that only cares about expanding the size of government to solve everyone's problems. That flies completely in the face of everything Reagan supported.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0301.green.html

Before becoming president, he had often openly mused, much to the alarm of his politically sensitive staff, about restructuring Social Security to allow individuals to opt out of the system--an antecedent of today's privatization plans. At the start of his administration, with Social Security teetering on the brink of insolvency, Reagan attempted to push through immediate draconian cuts to the program. But the Senate unanimously rebuked his plan, and the GOP lost 26 House seats in the 1982 midterm elections, largely as a result of this overreach.

The following year, Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security. In almost every way, the bailout flew in the face of conservative ideology. It dramatically increased payroll taxes on employees and employers, brought a whole new class of recipients--new federal workers--into the system, and, for the first time, taxed Social Security benefits, and did so in the most liberal way: only those of upper-income recipients. (As an added affront to conservatives, the tax wasn't indexed to inflation, meaning that more and more people have gradually had to pay it over time.)




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#11 : November 01, 2008, 04:36:09 PM

More from the same article...

Reagan continued these "modest rollbacks" in his second term. The historic Tax Reform Act of 1986, though it achieved the supply side goal of lowering individual income tax rates, was a startlingly progressive reform. The plan imposed the largest corporate tax increase in history--an act utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today. Just two years after declaring, "there is no justification" for taxing corporate income, Reagan raised corporate taxes by $120 billion over five years and closed corporate tax loopholes worth about $300 billion over that same period. In addition to broadening the tax base, the plan increased standard deductions and personal exemptions to the point that no family with an income below the poverty line would have to pay federal income tax. Even at the time, conservatives within Reagan's administration were aghast. According to Wall Street Journal reporters Jeffrey Birnbaum and Alan Murray, whose book Showdown at Gucci Gulch chronicles the 1986 measure, "the conservative president's support for an effort once considered the bastion of liberals carried tremendous symbolic significance." When Reagan's conservative acting chief economic adviser, William Niskanen, was apprised of the plan he replied, "Walter Mondale would have been proud."

So would Russell Long. In 1975, the Democratic senator from Louisiana had passed into law the earned income tax credit (EITC), essentially a wage subsidy for the working poor. Long's measure was tiny to begin with and had dwindled to insignificance by the time Reagan agreed to expand it in 1986 as part of the tax reform act. Despite years of opposing social insurance programs, Reagan's support of the EITC gave rise to what has become one of the most effective antipoverty measures the federal government has ever devised--by the late 1990s, the EITC was lifting 4.3 million people out of poverty every year. Reagan's decision to expand it was "the most important anti-poverty measure enacted over the past decade," wrote The Wall Street Journal's Al Hunt. The exemption of millions of low-wage earners from income taxes through the EITC and other reforms in 1986 added a significant measure of progressivity to the tax code. As evidence of its popularity with liberals, Clinton dramatically expanded the EITC in 1993.



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#12 : November 01, 2008, 04:43:11 PM

Joe, give me a break. This isnt about one issue or one thing here or there. This is about ideology. And Obama's ideology is more taxes, more government, bigger government, and more control. That was not Reagan's ideology. And you are going to look like a fool if you try to argue that point. The differences between Reagan and Obama could not be more extreme. Reagan was against taxes, he was pro-American, he supported individual liberty and individual success. Everything about Obama is collective and societal.
Reagan would make you feel good about America. He was optimistic. Obama makes you feel bad about America, he makes you feel as if America is the problem and not the solution.

If Reagan was running in this election, he'd destroy Obama the same way he annihilated Carter and Mondale.

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#13 : November 01, 2008, 04:54:37 PM

Joe, give me a break. This isnt about one issue or one thing here or there. This is about ideology. And Obama's ideology is more taxes, more government, bigger government, and more control. That was not Reagan's ideology. And you are going to look like a fool if you try to argue that point. The differences between Reagan and Obama could not be more extreme. Reagan was against taxes, he was pro-American, he supported individual liberty and individual success. Everything about Obama is collective and societal.
Reagan would make you feel good about America. He was optimistic. Obama makes you feel bad about America, he makes you feel as if America is the problem and not the solution.

If Reagan was running in this election, he'd destroy Obama the same way he annihilated Carter and Mondale.

Reagan did what Reagan did. You can claim this and that but his record speaks for itself. I don't give a crap what his
"ideology" was. He did what he had to do.

Obama makes YOU feel bad about America. That's something you have to deal with.


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#14 : November 01, 2008, 05:01:53 PM

Well when the government dips into your paycheck to "spreads the wealth around"....maybe then you and half the country will finally wake up from the kool-aid trance.

The fact Obama even has a chance to win this thing is absolutely disgusting and a indication that America is truely on the decline as a world power. We got the socialism. All we need now is a little fear and propaganda from the government and we have our fascism.

Better keep a reserve of money under your mattress. You never know when you will need it to get out of here.
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