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#30 : November 10, 2008, 07:06:02 PM

He didn't need to leave the white house to get a piece.   He was getting plenty there.   Just none from Hillary.

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#31 : November 10, 2008, 07:06:07 PM

And Clinton? One of the best, yes. He left with us at peace...

I beleive that should read "He left us to get a peice" ;)

Yes hence my Monica Reference... Slick willie knew how to pull tail!!! That's for sure.. Oh maybe that's what he was best at...

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#32 : November 10, 2008, 07:11:44 PM

And Clinton? One of the best, yes. He left with us at peace...

I beleive that should read "He left us to get a peice" ;)

Yes hence my Monica Reference... Slick willie knew how to pull tail!!! That's for sure.. Oh maybe that's what he was best at...



Jennifer Flowers wasn't too bad........but Paula Jones, uggo.


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#33 : November 10, 2008, 07:12:04 PM

Didn't Bill Clinton have Bin Laden, but let him go?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yep.   If it wasn't for Clinton's screw up, there never would have been a 9/11.    And if he had been allowed to be elected for a 3rd term, 9/11 would have happened during his presidency.   Bush just happened to be in office when it occurred.   They planned it during the Clinton screw ups.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usosam244639485feb24,0,4785404.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print

Check that out.


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#34 : November 10, 2008, 07:15:46 PM

I'm not saying Bush was any better than Clinton.  I already said he was worse.   But those attacks were going to happen regardless.

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#35 : November 10, 2008, 07:20:14 PM

I'm not saying Bush was any better than Clinton.  I already said he was worse.   But those attacks were going to happen regardless.

I agree with the response Bush had for hunting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but it was much to small of an effort. Iraq was the biggest blunder of his administration, and it greatly reduced our ability to wage an effective fight against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Imagine if we had 140,000 troops there, it would be much easier to find our HVT's.


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#36 : November 10, 2008, 07:22:50 PM

I'm not saying Bush was any better than Clinton.  I already said he was worse.   But those attacks were going to happen regardless.

I agree with the response Bush had for hunting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, but it was much to small of an effort. Iraq was the biggest blunder of his administration, and it greatly reduced our ability to wage an effective fight against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Imagine if we had 140,000 troops there, it would be much easier to find our HVT's.

Well, Bush was a complete screw up.  We all know that.

I was arguing that Clinton was not one of the best, not that Bush wasn't perhaps the worst ever.

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#37 : November 10, 2008, 07:56:43 PM

Clinton was actually more conservative than Bush in many ways. The best example is the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 (aka Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act) which Clinton supported and signed and which has expired under Bush. For the most part Clinton held spending in check, while under Bush the Budget has skyrocketed. Between '93 and '01 the Budget went from $1,409 Billion to $1,863 Billion which is only about 4%/year. Under Bush it went from $1,863 billion to $3,107 billion. Even without the spending on Iraq, Bush's budget still rose more than Clinton's.


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#38 : November 10, 2008, 08:19:04 PM

He left with us at peace

The 9/11 attacks were planned during his presidency.


Did they happen then? No, I think not. Go play with a ladyboy.
You have to love when people forget recent history. Thank the media for that.  Bin Laden called Clinton's firing of the missiles and not even entering to see what they hit a cowardly act and was a main reason for 9/11.  This was made clear in his taped addresses.

From August 21, 1998

http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/

U.S. missiles pound targets in Afghanistan, Sudan

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- American cruise missiles pounded sites in Afghanistan and Sudan Thursday in retaliation for the deadly bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania on August 7.

"Let our actions today send this message loud and clear -- there are no expendable American targets," U.S. President Clinton said in a televised address to the American people Thursday evening. "There will be no sanctuary for terrorists. We will defend our people, our interests and our values."
U.S. officials say the six sites attacked in Afghanistan were part of a network of terrorist compounds near the Pakistani border that housed supporters of millionaire Osama bin Laden.
An official of the Taliban, Afgahanistan's Islamic rulers, reported 21 were killed and 30 were injured in the missile strikes in eastern Afghanistan.
In the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, the El Shifa Pharmaceutical Industries factory -- which U.S. officials say also has ties to bin Laden and produces chemicals that can be used to make deadly VX nerve gas -- was heavily damaged.
In response, an angry crowd of demonstrators, chanting "Down, Down, U.S.A." took over the U.S. embassy building in Khartoum, which had been closed after the August bombings, Sudanese television reported. U.S. diplomats had been pulled out of Sudan in 1996, after the State Department decided it could no longer ensure their safety.

U.S.: Bin Laden's network planning new attacks

Clinton said that information gathered by American intelligence showed that a network of terrorists affiliated with bin Laden was responsible for the bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, which killed 257 people, including 12 Americans.
"Our mission was clear -- to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with, and funded by, Osama bin Laden, the pre-eminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today," Clinton said.
National Security Adviser Sandy Berger said that American intelligence had also turned up "very specific" information that the bin Laden network was planning additional attacks, which Thursday's missile launches were designed to prevent.
In addition, the United States had information that top leaders of bin Laden's network were to meet in Afghanistan Thursday. Berger said that "influenced our planning" for the attack, which was authorized by the president last Friday.
Bin Laden has been given shelter by Afghanistan's Islamic rulers, the Taliban, and may have been in the area targeted by U.S. missiles. Taliban officials said bin Laden survived the attack, but U.S. officials said they did not know if he survived.
Pentagon sources confirmed to CNN that the attacks were made with Tomahawk cruise missiles, not aircraft. The missiles were fired from U.S. Navy ships in the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea. The simultaneous attacks took place about 1:30 p.m. EDT (1730 GMT).


Afghan attacks in remote region

In Afghanistan, a spokesman for the Taliban, Mullah Abdullah, said the U.S. attacks were in Khost, about 90 miles (144 kilometers) south of the capital, Kabul, and Jalalabad, 60 miles (96 kilometers) east of Kabul.
Clinton called the sites "terrorist facilities" and said they were being used to train terrorists from around the world.
The supreme leader of the Taliban said they would never hand over bin Laden to the United States. A Pakistan-based Afghan news service quoted Mullah Mohammad Omar as condemning U.S. bombings on Afghan sites Thursday and saying that they showed "enmity" for the Afghan people.
However, Clinton defended the decision to launch missiles into the two countries.
"The United States does not take this action lightly. Afghanistan and Sudan have been warned for years to stop harboring and supporting these terrorist groups," he said. "The countries that persistently host terrorists have no right to be safe havens."

Cohen: 'No sanctuary for terrorists'


U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen said the goal of the strikes was to disrupt and attempt to destroy the suspected training and support facilities used to train "hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorists."
"We recognize these strikes will not eliminate the problem," Cohen said. "But our message is clear. There will be no sanctuary for terrorists and no limit to our resolve to defend American citizens and our interests -- our ideals of democracy and law -- against these cowardly attacks."
Cohen said planning for the attack began within the past week, after U.S. intelligence confirmed bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist bombings.


Albright: 'They can hide, but not escape justice'

U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright called on the international community to take whatever action was necessary to "deter and defeat terrorist acts."
"Together, decent people everywhere must send the message to terrorists everywhere that they can hide but they cannot escape the long arm of justice," she said.
Clinton also emphasized that the U.S. attack should not be construed as anti-Islam.
"Our actions today were not aimed at Islam," he said. "No religion condones the murder of innocent men, women and children."
In the wake of the missile attacks, the U.S. State Department issued a general warning for U.S. residents abroad to be on alert.
The Federal Aviation Administration has announced that until further notice that it has closed the airspace over Sudan and Afghanistan to any aircraft flown by Americans or registered in the United States.
An FAA official tells CNN that, under the order, an American citizen who buys an airline ticket in the United States to a destination that requires passage through either country's airspace will be denied passage on that particular flight.




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#39 : November 10, 2008, 09:45:42 PM

Presidentials addresses aren't spin?

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#40 : November 10, 2008, 08:32:03 PM

Are there prizes for long or overspaced posts on this board?

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#41 : November 10, 2008, 08:49:46 PM

Only when they point out the truth.

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#42 : November 10, 2008, 08:54:13 PM

I haven't seen that post yet.  I have read spins - and that is a pretty good one.  And an excellent try - but opportunities missed on purpose are pretty clear to most folks.  It is unfortunate - but it is what it is.

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#43 : November 10, 2008, 09:14:08 PM

I haven't seen that post yet.  I have read spins - and that is a pretty good one.  And an excellent try - but opportunities missed on purpose are pretty clear to most folks.  It is unfortunate - but it is what it is.
A televised presidential address is a spin?

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#44 : November 11, 2008, 08:22:03 AM

yeah - bush is responsible for 4K deaths in Iraq, but Obama's F'ing DISTRICT in IL has had more homicides this past year than the entirety of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts COMBINED.

i don't mind scoreboard watching, but if we're gonna play one on one, let's at least play "make 'em, take 'em"...

what about all of the slum tenaments too shoddy for subsidized housing just sitting their with squatters in Obama's district?  Rezko makes out with $14 million and nobody is even living in them???  LOL!!!

forget who he really is, what he really stands for, "change", "hope", and the rest of the rhetoric...  just look at his past performance and record during his cup o' coffee on the job and base your opinions on some substance.

he's        done      nothing.  he's harmed more than helped.  his leadership has been abysmal.

i hope he learned something while exploiting the disadvantaged, and rallying the troops to get out the vote, because his track record may be one of the worst examples ever.
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