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: November 15, 2008, 11:05:16 AM


A little more info. on how the Nebraska system works...

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1858355,00.html

I think that unless you play professional football, you shouldn't be posting on the Red or Insider's Board.

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#1 : November 13, 2008, 07:20:15 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081113/ap_on_re_us/safe_haven

LINCOLN, Neb. – The mother was running out of more than patience when she abandoned her 18-year-old daughter at a hospital over the weekend under Nebraska's safe-haven law. She was also running out of time: She knew that state lawmakers would soon meet in a special session to amend the ill-fated law so that it would apply to newborns only.

"Where am I going to get help if they change the law?" said the mother, who lives in Lincoln and asked to not be identified by name to protect her adopted child.

To the state's surprise and embarrassment, more than half of the 31 children legally abandoned under the safe-haven law since it took effect in mid-July have been teenagers.

But state officials may have inadvertently made things worse with their hesitant response to the problem: The number of drop-offs has almost tripled to about three a week since Gov. Dave Heineman announced on Oct. 29 that lawmakers would rewrite the law.

With legislators set to convene on Friday, weary parents like the Lincoln mother have been racing to drop off their children while they still can.

On Thursday, authorities searched for two teens — a boy and girl, ages 14 and 17 — who fled an Omaha hospital as their mother tried to abandon them. The mother was trying to take them from the car to the emergency room when they took off.

Child welfare experts said the late deluge of drop-offs was probably inevitable. After all, they said, some date had to be picked to begin changing the law.

But some of them said lawmakers and the governor missed chances to change the law early because they underestimated the number of desperate families looking for help. Heineman called the special session only after a spate of five drop-offs in eight days.

Reluctance to pull senators away from their jobs and election campaigns, along with the estimated $70,000 to $80,000 cost of a special session, were among the reasons Heineman's office cited in holding off on calling a special session sooner.

"I think there was a fair amount of denial on the part of legislators that it would snowball," said Karen Authier, executive director of the Nebraska Children's Home Society.

The safe-haven law was intended to save "Dumpster babies" by allowing desperate young mothers to abandon their newborns at a hospital without fear of prosecution. But lawmakers could not agree on an age limit, and the law as passed uses only the word "child."

All states have safe-haven laws, but in every state but Nebraska, the law applies to infants only.

Authier said her group and others had warned senators after the law passed early this year that there could be problems, but the lawmakers did not believe it.

"It wasn't like talking to a stone wall," Authier said. "It was just that people who aren't in the business of dealing with families, they aren't aware how desperate some of these families are."

Sure enough, 18 teenagers — five 17-year-olds, two 16-year-olds, six 15-year-olds, two 14-year-olds, three 13-year-olds — have been abandoned, along with eight children who were 11 or 12. Five of the children dropped off have been from out of state.

The Lincoln mother who dropped off her 18-year-old daughter said she was repeatedly turned down when she sought help from police, state social services authorities and the girl's school. The woman said her daughter had been diagnosed with a mental illness when she was 12 and had deep psychological scars from childhood abuse and from being left alone with her dead biological mother for a week.

The woman said she felt she had no choice but to leave her daughter at the hospital after a recent flurry of assault, stealing, sleeping around and cutting school.

"I thought she would get help" through the safe-haven law, the mother said.

However, state authorities refused to take the young woman into custody, saying Nebraska law regarding juveniles does not let authorities take in anyone older than 17. The woman left with her daughter.

Fourteen children in all have been left at three hospitals operated by Alegent Health in the Omaha area.

"These are largely families at a point of incredible desperation," said Wayne Sensor, chief executive of Alegent Health. "They aren't bad parents or bad kids. They simply don't know what services are available out there."

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#2 : November 13, 2008, 09:18:35 PM

If she is 18 why would they take her - doesn't 18 = ADULT???

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#3 : November 13, 2008, 11:20:16 PM

That is so sad.

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#4 : November 13, 2008, 11:28:08 PM

Whoa.

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#5 : November 14, 2008, 10:07:06 AM

That is so sad.

Exactly. Desperate people doing desperate things. I hope I'm never in such a desperate situation. I certainly
won't judge those people unless I've walked in their shoes.

Right, Doc?


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#6 : November 14, 2008, 10:16:11 AM

That is so sad.

Exactly. Desperate people doing desperate things. I hope I'm never in such a desperate situation. I certainly
won't judge those people unless I've walked in their shoes.
Yes

These people are desperate to spend more time with their true love......... CRACK

It's a shame when having to raise children gets in the way of such things. I feel for them.

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#7 : November 14, 2008, 10:17:13 AM

You have no idea what situation they're in. Or do you?

If you do, please share.

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#8 : November 14, 2008, 10:54:34 AM

You have no idea what situation they're in. Or do you?

If you do, please share.
I have a pretty good idea.

They are all too lazy to raise their kids. Many probably have drug problems.

Give them the benefit of the doubt all that you want.

I feel for the children.

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#9 : November 14, 2008, 11:02:21 AM

Are you sure that dateline wasn't Riverview or Gibsonton, FL?

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#10 : November 14, 2008, 11:05:07 AM

Hey Joe,

You should be happy for these people!  They are getting to exercise their liberty and rights!  Raise their own kids??  Absolutely not.  We are free to do what we want and if that means dumping off their responsibilities on others, so be it.  You are right, we don't know their situation.  But I have kids and I can tell you this; I'd live in lean-to and eat berries and wild game before I dump my children off on someone.  You don't know since you don't have kids.  But just like everything else in this country, if it doesn't please you or make you feel good, the answer is to get rid of it!  Marriage, kids, bills, etc........SEE YA!!  That is the answer we give!  
Just another liberal attitude endorsed by your truly JOE.

You don't get it Joe.  Everything is tied together.  The family is broken because we don't believe in the fairy tale God anymore and we are making our own rules!  Pray??  Forget that when we can just throw our problems on someone else.  You and your liberal buddies will never ever get it.

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#11 : November 14, 2008, 11:14:27 AM

That is so sad.

Exactly. Desperate people doing desperate things. I hope I'm never in such a desperate situation. I certainly
won't judge those people unless I've walked in their shoes.

Right, Doc?



spoken like an opinionated non-kid having bleeding heart...



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#12 : November 14, 2008, 11:16:20 AM

You have no idea what situation they're in. Or do you?

If you do, please share.
I have a pretty good idea.

They are all too lazy to raise their kids. Many probably have drug problems.

Give them the benefit of the doubt all that you want.

I feel for the children.

agreed...

there is nothing, NOTHING that would ever stop me from raising my childern, if that meant working 2 or 3 jobs, I'd do it, even if that meant working for minimum wage.

too many people rely on others to help them raise their kids.

this nation is sick, hopefully hussein will fix it.

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#13 : November 14, 2008, 11:17:35 AM

Hey Joe,

You should be happy for these people!  They are getting to exercise their liberty and rights!  Raise their own kids??  Absolutely not.  We are free to do what we want and if that means dumping off their responsibilities on others, so be it.  You are right, we don't know their situation.  But I have kids and I can tell you this; I'd live in lean-to and eat berries and wild game before I dump my children off on someone.  You don't know since you don't have kids.  But just like everything else in this country, if it doesn't please you or make you feel good, the answer is to get rid of it!  Marriage, kids, bills, etc........SEE YA!!  That is the answer we give! 
Just another liberal attitude endorsed by your truly JOE.

You don't get it Joe.  Everything is tied together.  The family is broken because we don't believe in the fairy tale God anymore and we are making our own rules!  Pray??  Forget that when we can just throw our problems on someone else.  You and your liberal buddies will never ever get it.

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#14 : November 14, 2008, 11:18:59 AM

.  The family is broken because we don't believe in the fairy tale God anymore and we are making our own rules!  Pray??  Forget that ....you and your liberal buddies will never ever get it.

Because everyone knows that people that pray to a god never have problems in life.....only the atheist heathens, right?
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