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: December 23, 2008, 01:12:00 PM

They were talking this morning on WDAE (take it for what it's worth) over rumors that the Bucs are again NOT going to make any big free agent signings. With the extremely expensive purchase of Manchester United combined with declining ticket sales and a bad economy, dont look for the Glazers to be in any hurry to sign big checks in the free agency. One of the guys sitting nearby me at the games said he bought his season tickets this past August. Which means there probably isnt that much of a waiting list left.

ESPN says the Bucs are projected to start the free agency in March $46 million under the Salary Cap. If we have another quiet free agency and offseason....we may have to start giving some credibility to these rumors.

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#1 : December 23, 2008, 01:12:49 PM

They were talking this morning on WDAE (take it for what it's worth) over rumors that the Bucs are again NOT going to make any big free agent signings. With the extremely expensive purchase of Manchester United combined with declining ticket sales and a bad economy, dont look for the Glazers to be in any hurry to sign big checks in the free agency. One of the guys sitting nearby me at the games said he bought his season tickets this past August. Which means there probably isnt that much of a waiting list left.

ESPN says the Bucs are projected to start the free agency in March $46 million under the Salary Cap. If we have another quiet free agency and offseason....we may have to start giving some credibility to these rumors.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You didn't really just use WDAE as a SOURCE?!?!

WOW.

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#2 : December 23, 2008, 01:15:17 PM

Im just saying this rumor makes sense...

We all think that we are saving money for a "Tiger Woods" player and that Bruce Allen drives a hard bargain, but what evidence of this is there of this? The Bucs dont seem to be interested in signing anyone big. And if we go through another offseason without any big stars being signed, then you have to wonder. That's all Im saying.

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#3 : December 23, 2008, 01:16:26 PM

But have heard there might not be many coaching changes due to the bad economy because owners don't want to pay to buy out a coach's contract and then hire another one at the same amount or more.


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#4 : December 23, 2008, 01:16:39 PM

I'm sure they have that much money budgeted in for the football team. Whether Bruce uses it is another story.

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#5 : December 23, 2008, 01:18:01 PM

Wow....Lots of "Haters" out there.... ;)

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article946781.ece

Tampa Bay Buccaneers' payroll might suffer from neglect
By John Romano, Times Sports Columnist
In print: Tuesday, December 23, 2008

TAMPA

Time was, they were among the best owners in the league.

They may have been secretive and they may have been quirky, but the Glazers spent money whenever it was needed and generally stayed out of the way of their football experts. No matter what else was happening, you always had the sense the Glazers were willing to do whatever necessary to be Super Bowl contenders.

Today, I'm not entirely sure that is true.

Is there hard evidence? No, it's probably more circumstantial. Is there a smoking gun? No, it's barely even warm. Still, it is hard to shake the sense the Glazers are not as committed to winning as they once appeared to be.

And it has been that way since the family bought Manchester United. Speaking of which, did you notice Man U just won the Club World Cup title?

Perhaps that's a cheap shot. Maybe there is no correlation between the success of the world's most acclaimed soccer franchise and the late-season decline of a measly old NFL team.

But here's something to consider:

According to a payroll database compiled by USA Today, the Bucs were in the top half of the NFL in salaries every season from 2000 to 2004. They have since been in the bottom half in payroll every season from 2005 to 2008. And what happened between those 2004 and '05 seasons? The Glazers spent $1.47-billion to buy Manchester United.

To be fair, the Bucs had some salary cap issues around that time and were, inevitably, going to have to watch their spending. And the USA Today figures should not be considered sacred because there are a ton of ways to manipulate salary figures in the NFL.

But, even anecdotally, it seems a fair assessment to say the Glazers do not spend money on personnel the way they did when the Bucs were still their shiny new toy.

Back then, the Glazers were willing to sign Keyshawn Johnson to an eight-year, $56-million contract with a $13-million signing bonus in the spring of 2000. A year later, they signed Brad Johnson to a five-year, $28-million contract with a $6.5-million signing bonus and, two weeks later, signed Simeon Rice to a five-year, $34-million deal.

And when that spending spree did not produce a Super Bowl title, the Bucs ate more than $1-million on Tony Dungy's contract, paid Al Davis $8-million for Jon Gruden and signed Gruden to a five-year, $17.5-million contract. Later that summer, they signed Keenan McCardell to a four-year, $10-million deal with a $2-million signing bonus and Michael Pittman to a five-year, $8.75-million contract with a $1.75-million bonus.

Can you honestly say we've seen anything remotely close to that in recent years?

Other than signing center Jeff Faine in February, the Bucs have rarely ventured into the deep end of the free agent pool. Now they have had success with some cheaper investments such as Antonio Bryant, Jeff Garcia, Phillip Buchanon and Greg White in recent seasons, but that is due more to front office acumen than a splurge by ownership.

And you might be able to argue that ownership is being more prudent these days to avoid the salary cap problems that followed the 2002 Super Bowl season, but the discrepancy is far too wide to not wonder if this is more than just a change in organizational philosophy.

The team has been way below the salary cap for a couple of years, and yet the Glazers act as if their money is better off buried in coffee cans behind One Buc Place. They have alternately suggested the cap space was being kept open for a big-name trade or to sign their younger players to long-term deals, but we've seen little evidence of that.

I'm not suggesting profits from Tampa Bay are being funneled into the pockets of a midfielder in England, but the Glazers took on a ridiculously large debt when they bought Manchester United. It's not much of a stretch to wonder if they aren't cutting corners these days more than they were before 2005.

What should be alarming to the Glazers is the number of empty seats at Raymond James Stadium in recent seasons. Unlike the Rays or the Lightning, the Bucs have enjoyed tremendous fan support in the past decade. Because revenues have been strong, there has never been any reason for the Bucs to go cheap the way other bay area franchises have.

But as the team's lack of postseason production has grown, fan interest has seemingly dipped. And the Glazers could face the prospect of spending less in payroll but still seeing their profits fall.

A request to speak to one of the Glazers was declined Monday, with the explanation that the family would prefer to wait until after the season before making any comments.

That was not exactly a shock. The Glazers have preferred working from behind the scenes almost from the time Malcolm bought the franchise 13 years ago. Instead of public statements, the family has let the product on the field do most of the talking.

It's just that, lately, that talk has been awfully cheap.



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#6 : December 23, 2008, 01:21:57 PM

WDAE has no credibility. Besides, which FA's out there got huge money that the Bucs should have signed for those kinds of dollars? I'm not interested in spending money for the sake of spending money.

They made Faine the highest paid OC in the league. What teams spent the most in FA this year?

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#7 : December 23, 2008, 01:26:42 PM

If we let Antonio Bryant leave; if TJ Housh is available and we dont even give him an offer; if Haynesworth is avail and we dont give him a look; if we dont give Matt Cassel a look; if we dont make any serious effect to sign a big free agent that would fill a deficit on the team....

...then we know there is a serious problem with the Glazer's checkbook.

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#8 : December 23, 2008, 01:28:38 PM

...then we know there is a serious problem with the Glazer's checkbook.

I wouldn't make that assumption.

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#9 : December 23, 2008, 01:29:28 PM

I'm sure they have that much money budgeted in for the football team. Whether Bruce uses it is another story.

Exactly, not sure what they're thinking with this one.

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#10 : December 23, 2008, 01:31:30 PM

...then we know there is a serious problem with the Glazer's checkbook.

I wouldn't make that assumption.

But you cant deny the fact that they are not spending money like they used to. Even if we go with the benefit of a doubt and say there was no major free agent on the market the last couple years, there will likely be a few this year. And if we are again quiet, you have to wonder.

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#11 : December 23, 2008, 01:39:09 PM

But you cant deny the fact that they are not spending money like they used to. Even if we go with the benefit of a doubt and say there was no major free agent on the market the last couple years, there will likely be a few this year. And if we are again quiet, you have to wonder.

I think Allen has had a lot to do with it.

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#12 : December 23, 2008, 01:41:55 PM

So you are saying that Allen is intentionally trying to keep the Bucs 40+ million under the cap? For what reason?

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#13 : December 23, 2008, 01:53:39 PM

No, I'm saying he's a contracts man, probably to a fault.



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#14 : December 23, 2008, 02:12:53 PM

there is no waiting list for club seats, and there is no real list for regular seats..  I signed up for both and got calls to buy both this year...   honestly, if they put better talent on the field through FA, then Ill eat my season ticekt deposit and just buy tickets on stub hub.   
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