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#45 : April 17, 2009, 02:53:54 PM

I don't have an argument ronde? LOL. I don't need one. You are the one making a baseless claim. Until you actually back it up, I see no reason to counter it. Like I said, you are clueless.

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#46 : April 19, 2009, 10:10:13 PM


"The biggest gap between football players and students as a whole occurred at the University of Florida, where players scored 346 points lower than the school�s overall student body. That�s larger than the difference in scores between typical students at the University of Georgia and Harvard University.


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ROFLMAO

When you actually read the article in the link, you can't help but laugh at the poster.

See FSU's football players' average SAT is only 27 pts higher than UF's (< 3% difference) but FSU's average student SAT is nearly 100 pts lower than UF's.

UF's players may not be the brightest, but Runole has given us proof that UF fans are significantly smarter than 'noles.

If I may interject here, he has proven that the UF students/alumni are signifiantly smarter than 'noles .... I'm not sure you want to delve off that path when it comes to a fanbase.  8)

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#47 : April 18, 2009, 10:03:04 PM

Urban has never shown himself to get rid of any player that could be important to UF.   Carl Johnson is a current example.

UF managed to keep Torrey Davis in enough games before UF ran out of online classes that he could pass.


I do remember stating I was shocked that John Brown and Torrey Davis were not college material yet somehow they made Urban's alleged one percent! LOL   Once again I called it perfect. Both have the brains of a box of rocks but that didn't stop UF from getting them enrolled with little problem.  You can only hide that stuff so long... Kind of like Marcus Thomas multiple chances  being sat down in easy games and becoming eligible in possible tough ones.


Amazing 22 players arrested and yet Preston Parker received more publicity than all of them combined.  Interesting!


Oh and this could explain Torrey's and John's easy admission to UF..


"The biggest gap between football players and students as a whole occurred at the University of Florida, where players scored 346 points lower than the school’s overall student body. That’s larger than the difference in scores between typical students at the University of Georgia and Harvard University.


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#48 : April 19, 2009, 01:03:07 AM

LOL

Yes, FSU sucks, we all know runole.  If they didn't, you wouldn't result to such straw grasping tactics.....

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#49 : April 19, 2009, 06:33:02 PM


"The biggest gap between football players and students as a whole occurred at the University of Florida, where players scored 346 points lower than the school’s overall student body. That’s larger than the difference in scores between typical students at the University of Georgia and Harvard University.


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http://www.ajc.com/cars/content/sports/stories/2008/12/28/acadmain_1228_3DOT.html?cxntlid=inform_sr


ROFLMAO

When you actually read the article in the link, you can't help but laugh at the poster.

See FSU's football players' average SAT is only 27 pts higher than UF's (< 3% difference) but FSU's average student SAT is nearly 100 pts lower than UF's.

UF's players may not be the brightest, but Runole has given us proof that UF fans are significantly smarter than 'noles.


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#50 : April 20, 2009, 08:44:48 AM

All USF fans are rocket surgeons.

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#51 : April 20, 2009, 10:51:46 AM

Urban has never shown himself to get rid of any player that could be important to UF.   Carl Johnson is a current example.

what did carl johnson do?

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#52 : April 20, 2009, 10:58:52 AM

Broke up with the wrong girl...or dated her in the first place, take your pick.

Of course runole confuses an accusation with a conviction. But, he's a nole do you expect anything else?

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#53 : April 20, 2009, 11:48:50 AM

Urban has never shown himself to get rid of any player that could be important to UF.� �Carl Johnson is a current example.

what did carl johnson do?


Not surprisingly  CERVONE  miraculously had the Rape charges dropped... need to keep Johnson on the field. Any wonder why so many domestic violence issues go on in Gainesville with football players involved?  Clear message do what you want and we will cover for you!

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090310/SPORTS/903100334

From the article:

"The woman alleged that Johnson raped her on three different occasions last fall in a typed statement: Sept. 15, Oct. 7 and Nov. 23. She claimed all three incidents happened in her room and said she was "afraid" of him."

"The woman filed a restraining order against Johnson on Feb. 9 after claiming she had been raped in the past and feared him. Johnson was arrested a week later when she claimed he violated that restraint by being on the same bus. Teammates, however, testified that Johnson did nothing to threaten the woman or cause any violation charges."

What happens here stays here!  LOL





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#54 : April 20, 2009, 11:56:10 AM

You're pathetic.


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#55 : April 20, 2009, 12:39:02 PM

All USF fans are rocket surgeons.

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All UF fans are brain scientists.

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#56 : April 20, 2009, 03:19:19 PM

If it were an FSU PLAYER, runole would be saying "boys will be boys" or "it's not like he shot the president"

Of course, even Saint Bobby has attested females aren't always truthful in these matters.

Fitting how runole posts the article of the false allegations, but neglects to post where charges were dropped for insufficient evidence and the girl dropped the restraining order. 

I typically will stay out of things like this until the dust settles, and of course here I think it has.  I do find it curious a woman can be "date raped" 3 times by the same guy....why keep going out with him if he raped you?  Not to be insensitive, but given all that has transpired I think it is clear Carl did nothing wrong here. 

When the story broke it was said she was pissed with Carl for ditching her and getting with a new girl.  After all the facts have come out (not just HER word) and her subsequent actions I think that is supported. 

Another classic case of runole trying to make something out of nothing, to take a jab at the school that his son was too stupid to get in. 

SEEK HELP RUNOLE!  IT'S OK!  RUNOLE JR. CAN STILL LEARN SOMEWHERE ELSE!

It's not like THIS happened:

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It was Christmastime, 1993, when former Florida State football player Michael Gibson raped her.

He broke into her apartment, shot her twice, leaving two gaping holes in her chest. Then, as she lay there bleeding and crying, he continued with the sexual assault. And then he left her for dead.

Except before he left the scene, this deranged monster of a man took one final liberty:

Michael Gibson stole the Christmas presents on his way out.

"How low can you get?" says John Witherspoon, the husband of the young woman who was raped that day. "How could Bobby Bowden ever write a letter in that man's behalf, to try and help that man someday get out of prison?"

Good question and one that hasn't been asked nearly enough. Since when did Bobby Bowden become a spokesperson for rape and rapists?

Bowden chose to speak out the other day in support of embattled Colorado Coach Gary Barnett and, in the process, questioned the validity of recent rape allegations against Colorado football players. Bowden, who seems suddenly to have become an expert on rape crisis counseling, questioned why the alleged victims took so long to report crimes that happened a few years ago.

"I did not understand how a young lady can say she was abused, or whatever it was, two years later," Bowden told reporters in South Carolina. "At the time, why don't you go report it? It seems like you ought to report it right [away]. So it makes me say, 'Well, did it really happen like that? I don't know.' "

I wonder if Bobby also questions the integrity of the boys who were abused by Catholic priests and were too ashamed and embarrassed to come forward until years later? Or is it only boys who tell the truth?

"I wish I could say that I'm surprised by Bobby Bowden's comments," says Witherspoon, an attorney in South Carolina. "Doesn't he always take the side of the athlete no matter what? It sure seems that way."

Bowden, of course, knows nothing about the specifics in Colorado. He doesn't know the alleged victims. He doesn't know the players involved. All he seems to know is that he's a football coach, and football coaches defend their brethren and their boys -- defend them all the way to the penitentiary if necessary.

If anybody has a right to feel betrayed by Bowden's public stance on rape, it is Witherspoon and his wife. She's a former Florida State student who was the victim of the horrifying sexual assault at the hands of Gibson, a former FSU running back who was on the team for less than a season. Gibson also was convicted on three other rape charges -- one in which he held a gun on a man and made him watch while he sexually assaulted his girlfriend. Gibson received six life sentences: four for rape, one for armed burglary and one for attempted felony murder.

"What we have here is a serial rapist who has raped, we know of, four women," Tallahassee state attorney Willie Meggs said in court. "Brutalized them with firearms, physical force, deadly weapons. I want to be sure he never gets out."

This serial rapist is the man for whom Bowden wrote a self-described "letter of reference" a few months ago before a hearing in which Gibson's lawyers tried to get the life sentences overturned so that Gibson someday would be released from prison. Gibson is the adopted son of former FSU player Ernie Sims Jr. and Alice Sims. Their son, Ernie Sims III, is a sophomore linebacker for the Seminoles who was rated by some recruiting analysts as the nation's No. 1 prep player coming out of high school.

In the reference letter to Circuit Judge Kathleen Dekker, Bowden wrote, "I can only account for what I know about him when I was recruiting him out of [Tallahassee's] North Florida Christian High School and for the time he was on our football team at Florida State University." Bowden went on to write that Gibson was "no problem" when he suited up for the Seminoles and that he has a "loving, caring family." At the end, Bowden concluded: "Thank you for reading my letter and may God direct you in your decision."

The letter was written on Florida State stationery and signed "Coach Bowden."

When the letter became public through court records, Witherspoon said his wife was "crushed and crestfallen." This is a woman who loved Florida State, graduated from the school, and was a huge football fan whom friends say "revered Coach Bowden."

"When she first found out about Bobby Bowden's letter, she couldn't even watch Florida State games on TV anymore," Witherspoon said. "How can you support a serial rapist? How could any coach speak up on behalf of this animal?"

At the hearing in October, Witherspoon's wife had to get up and relive that horrible day once again. She's 34 now, an attorney and a mother of two. But, still, 11 years later, she can't forget. How could she?

"He shot me first, and then he raped me," she testified. "There's not a day that goes by that I don't think about it. The thought of him getting out of prison terrifies me."

Judge Dekker agreed. She ruled that Gibson must spend the rest of his life in jail. "You have committed unspeakable crimes," she told him. "Monstrous crimes."

It has been said that Bobby Bowden sees the good in people, almost to a fault. But despite this penchant for blind loyalty, how could you ever see any good in any man who has shot and then raped a woman?

After the Gibson hearing, Linda Miklowitz, the president of Florida's branch of the National Organization for Women, wrote a letter of protest about Bowden to Florida State President T.K. Wetherell. In the letter, obtained by the Sentinel on Thursday, Miklowitz lashed out: "Until FSU starts taking seriously sexual violence against women by athletes, the school will continue to send the de**CENSORED**able message to hundreds of young men that rape is okay. Censuring Bowden would be a good first indication of change of course."

Miklowitz's suggestion obviously never was heeded because this week Bobby Bowden, it seems, once again turned into Bobby Knight -- except Bowden's graduation rate isn't nearly as high. It was Knight who once advised victims that, "if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." Bowden's comments and actions, although not as callous, are just as insensitive.

Wetherell came to Bowden's defense Thursday in an e-mailed statement in which he wrote: "I have known Coach Bowden for years. I am sure he never meant to suggest in any way that he condones any type of abusive behavior." What's even more troubling is that this isn't really just about Bowden; it's about the culture and the code of the locker room. In a sports world filled with attractive recruiting hostesses and under-the-table sex favors, women are treated as accessories and enticements.

Boys will be boys. Girls will be toys.

"It seems to me that these coaches help create this atmosphere of entitlement," Witherspoon says. "The athletes are led to believe that they are special; that the system owes them something. They think they can take anything they want, and that includes women. It's like, 'If she doesn't want me, I'm just going to take her.' "

This is not to say Bowden or any coach condones rape, but -- at the same time -- shouldn't they go out of their way to condemn it? Rape is a serious problem in college, and one study found that one-third of campus rapes are perpetrated by athletes.

Instead of always defending the players, just once wouldn't you like to hear a coach say, "How's the victim doing? Is she OK? What can we do to help her?"

And instead of writing a letter of reference on behalf of the rapist, just once wouldn't you like the coach to write a letter of concern to the woman who was raped?

Bobby Bowden defends his insensitive comments about rape by railing against "political correctness." But this isn't about political correctness; it's about correctness -- period. It's about doing and saying the right things and sending the right message.

You don't question the honesty of an alleged rape victim you've never met.

And you don't write letters on behalf of serial rapists.

Especially if you sign your letters "Coach Bowden." That title means a lot to young men.

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#57 : April 30, 2009, 11:24:34 AM

Another arrest warrant issued...





...for a FSU WR

Arrest warrant sought for receiver Wade

Florida State receiver Cameron Wade failed to appear in court Wednesday and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest, according to multiple reports from news outlets in Tallahassee.

Wade, a 6-foot-6, 209-pound redshirt sophomore, missed a pre-trial conference Wednesday at the County Courthouse, according to the Tallahassee Democrat.

Wade was arrested along with receiver Bert Reed last November for misdemeanor battery in relation to a campus fight near the student union that involved five FSU receivers. The probable cause affidavit states Wade threw the first punch, according to a report by WCTV.

Citing court documents, WCTV reported that Wade said he thought one of the fraternity brothers was raising a hand to strike one of his teammates.

Bond has been set at $2,500.

Wade played in five games last season and finished with three catches for 59 yards. His last game was the best of his career, when he caught two passes for 41 yards in a 42-13 Champs Sports Bowl victory over Wisconsin.

It's the latest incident in a long line of off-field woes for Florida State's thin receiving corps.

• Earlier this month, Rod Owens was suspended indefinitely after he was charged with DUI, and the NCAA denied Corey Surrency another year of eligibility.

• Former Florida State receiver Preston Parker was dismissed from the team earlier this year after his third arrest since 2006.

• Reed was suspended last year for missing class and ultimately was suspended three times in a one-month period. Surrency was suspended twice last year.

Parker and Greg Carr are no longer with the team, and Taiwan Easterling was sidelined this spring with a ruptured Achilles.



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#58 : April 30, 2009, 01:46:13 PM

Walk-on WR's have a decent shot at PT in Tally this season.


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#59 : April 30, 2009, 12:55:12 PM

Blah blah blah blah... This kind of crap is all Gator rivals can talk about.

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