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#15 : January 25, 2007, 02:06:28 PM

I like SImeons game, and his personality.  He isn't abrasive, so much as he is confident, and when you put up the numbers he has, it is hard to argue.  The man is designed to make a QB move, or get dropped.  His game is quite simple, and when paired up with a solid tackle, he is a defining force.  Booger sucked, and Wyms hasn't had his consistent shot yet...

Rice = Untouchable, IMO.  Pay him the money, and sign a dang tackle.  Losing him means the BUcs have even less pass rush.  Keep in mind he was ailing a bad shoulder for his "healthy" outings.


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#16 : January 25, 2007, 02:10:33 PM


Rice = Untouchable, IMO.  Pay him the money, and sign a dang tackle.  Losing him means the BUcs have even less pass rush.  Keep in mind he was ailing a bad shoulder for his "healthy" outings.

He's in the last year of his contract. It's worth more getting a day 1 pick that would be here for another 5 years or more than having Rice's pass rush next year. I don't care if we lose pass rush right now. We're not a playoff team.

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#17 : January 25, 2007, 02:14:05 PM


Rice = Untouchable, IMO.  Pay him the money, and sign a dang tackle.  Losing him means the BUcs have even less pass rush.  Keep in mind he was ailing a bad shoulder for his "healthy" outings.


He's in the last year of his contract. It's worth more getting a day 1 pick that would be here for another 5 years or more than having Rice's pass rush next year. I don't care if we lose pass rush right now. We're not a playoff team.
Well let him play out his contract, and see what he is asking for after, IMO.  I would like to see Tampa back in the playoffs next year.  This "waiting for the future" crap bores me.  If he asks for too much after next year, let him go fish.  Of course, if he shows no sign of slow down (he is in tremendous shape), and puts up huge numbers, we will all be scvreaming "Warren Sapp!" again.  Casting off guys who haven't lost it yet is absurd in my book.  Rice is bonafide pass rushing.  Draft picks are crap shoots.

I'll take the pass rush any day.(edit)


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#18 : January 25, 2007, 02:28:28 PM

If he asks for too much after next year, let him go fish. 

So we would get nothing. You sure he wants to stay in Tampa? I'm not. I wouldn't be suprised if he retires.

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#19 : January 25, 2007, 02:32:15 PM

If he asks for too much after next year, let him go fish. 

So we would get nothing. You sure he wants to stay in Tampa? I'm not. I wouldn't be suprised if he retires.
What has he said or done to make people think he dislikes Tampa (the team)?  I have not heard about him being a malcontent.  He has had some outbursts, but considering his ego, and his prima donnaness, he is quite tame by NFL standards...

As for losing him and getting nothing, never said that.  What if he goes off next year for 15 or 16 sacks?  Three FFs, a fumble recovery?  Does that show sign of him slowing down?  Not in my book.  If that happens, you resign him for a fair deal.  IF he asks for too much, you let him test the market.  If he duds out, shows signs of slowdown, he will either retire, or get fair market value.  Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often.  He gets in matches of paddycake here and there, but the games he goes off, he makes the defense three notches better, IMO.


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#20 : January 25, 2007, 02:36:34 PM

Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's in that class any longer. He once was, but I don't if he still is. However, that's a call Larry and Monte will have to make.

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#21 : January 25, 2007, 02:37:56 PM

Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's in that class any longer. He once was, but I don't if he still is. However, that's a call Larry and Monte will have to make.
Indeed.  And if MB posters such as us can make that assumption, must mean his trade value to coaches who know a thing or two, will be not worth the risk, IMO.

The upside of Rice is huge.  IF he fails, more money for next year.


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#22 : January 25, 2007, 02:44:29 PM

As for losing him and getting nothing, never said that. What if he goes off next year for 15 or 16 sacks? Three FFs, a fumble recovery? Does that show sign of him slowing down? Not in my book. If that happens, you resign him for a fair deal. IF he asks for too much, you let him test the market. If he duds out, shows signs of slowdown, he will either retire, or get fair market value. Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often. He gets in matches of paddycake here and there, but the games he goes off, he makes the defense three notches better, IMO.


Agree, the idea is to improve the DL, and you don't get better by subtraction of your best weapon, or at least your best threat. Sim is the ONLY defensive lineman the Bucs have that opposing teams have to account for specifically, nobody else scares anyone.

Replacing him is not the answer, we just need to put a dominating DT next to him (remember what Sapp did for Marcus and Chidi?) or DE opposite him (preferably both) and re-establish the pass rush, or the defense will not improve..




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#23 : January 25, 2007, 03:41:41 PM

As for losing him and getting nothing, never said that. What if he goes off next year for 15 or 16 sacks? Three FFs, a fumble recovery? Does that show sign of him slowing down? Not in my book. If that happens, you resign him for a fair deal. IF he asks for too much, you let him test the market. If he duds out, shows signs of slowdown, he will either retire, or get fair market value. Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often. He gets in matches of paddycake here and there, but the games he goes off, he makes the defense three notches better, IMO.


Agree, the idea is to improve the DL, and you don't get better by subtraction of your best weapon, or at least your best threat. Sim is the ONLY defensive lineman the Bucs have that opposing teams have to account for specifically, nobody else scares anyone.

Replacing him is not the answer, we just need to put a dominating DT next to him (remember what Sapp did for Marcus and Chidi?) or DE opposite him (preferably both) and re-establish the pass rush, or the defense will not improve..
It's not as simple a situation as just trying to improve the DL.  There are both long and short-term issues here.  I've stated before that I believe he's neither as dominant as some think nor as easily replaceable as others.  The thing I would think we need to be looking at is where do we go 2-3 years from now with that spot.  I think it's funny that some of the same people who don't want Garcia because he'd only be a 2-3 year fix at best want to keep Sim, who is at this point a 2-3 year fix. 
I don't advocate cutting him, he still has trade value.  If we geat a strong tackle next to him, that's great for now but what about later? If we snag a younger version of Sim, then that 10 mil could go a long way toward patching some other holes.  Say we spent our cap space on big FA DT, LB, and CB,  and drafted Adams? That 10 mil could be used to pick up another need, and Adams would be Sim's replacement.  There are plenty of scenarios like that where that much cash could be used to get a younger player of equivalent (or close to equavilent) dominance at their respective position.  There are a lot of ways to be creative here.  Right now he's snag a second, or could be worked into a trade, and and getting the right player, or a pick that nets you a good player can be more valuable than a stud at the end of his carreer.

And take a page from New England too.  Keeping your cap sane and your overall talent level high by not being afraid to let go of high priced vets is not a bad way to go. 

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#24 : January 25, 2007, 03:55:14 PM

As for losing him and getting nothing, never said that. What if he goes off next year for 15 or 16 sacks? Three FFs, a fumble recovery? Does that show sign of him slowing down? Not in my book. If that happens, you resign him for a fair deal. IF he asks for too much, you let him test the market. If he duds out, shows signs of slowdown, he will either retire, or get fair market value. Premier pass rushing talent is not available all too often. He gets in matches of paddycake here and there, but the games he goes off, he makes the defense three notches better, IMO.


Agree, the idea is to improve the DL, and you don't get better by subtraction of your best weapon, or at least your best threat. Sim is the ONLY defensive lineman the Bucs have that opposing teams have to account for specifically, nobody else scares anyone.

Replacing him is not the answer, we just need to put a dominating DT next to him (remember what Sapp did for Marcus and Chidi?) or DE opposite him (preferably both) and re-establish the pass rush, or the defense will not improve..
It's not as simple a situation as just trying to improve the DL. There are both long and short-term issues here. I've stated before that I believe he's neither as dominant as some think nor as easily replaceable as others. The thing I would think we need to be looking at is where do we go 2-3 years from now with that spot. I think it's funny that some of the same people who don't want Garcia because he'd only be a 2-3 year fix at best want to keep Sim, who is at this point a 2-3 year fix.
I don't advocate cutting him, he still has trade value. If we geat a strong tackle next to him, that's great for now but what about later? If we snag a younger version of Sim, then that 10 mil could go a long way toward patching some other holes. Say we spent our cap space on big FA DT, LB, and CB, and drafted Adams? That 10 mil could be used to pick up another need, and Adams would be Sim's replacement. There are plenty of scenarios like that where that much cash could be used to get a younger player of equivalent (or close to equavilent) dominance at their respective position. There are a lot of ways to be creative here. Right now he's snag a second, or could be worked into a trade, and and getting the right player, or a pick that nets you a good player can be more valuable than a stud at the end of his carreer.

And take a page from New England too. Keeping your cap sane and your overall talent level high by not being afraid to let go of high priced vets is not a bad way to go.
Garcia is not a "fix" in my book.  He will be a washed up vet, IMO, if he plays in Pewter.  The wideouts, the running game, the line blocking all need improvement for him to be as reliable as he was in Philly.

Simeon is anyones guess, but if he is back to normal, he is not a fix, he is a force.  You guys talk like two years is five minutes.  Two years is a long time man.

As far as New England, there is only one team that has been able to duplicate that kind of sucess.  And that is New England.


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#25 : January 25, 2007, 03:56:44 PM

If you can afford to keep Rice then you do it. IMO

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