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« : April 02, 2009, 08:40:22 PM »

Obama has called for and received the resignation of the CEO of General Motors, Corp. GM is a private corporation in the USA, with a board of directors and stock holders. It wasn't the owners of GM or it's board that called for the resignation of the CEO but the government. The government has demanded the restructuring of both Chrysler and GM with hard deadlines for their restructuring plan. They have announced that if those plans aren't acceptable that they will restructure those companies through bankruptcy court.

Here's how socialism is defined at Dictionary.com

Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

I propose that the actions of the current administration actually border more to fascist ideas than socialist.

Obama is using executive fiat to try and dramatically change the landscape of the USA. Both the stimulus package and budget dramatically shift the economic controls of our country to government and mostly the executive branch. The call for reinstitution of the "Fairness Doctrine" and attacks on specific right wing journalists and entertainers is an attempt at censorship. The call for a domestic peace keeping force as well funded as the military is a less than obvious ploy to build a force to terrorize the people of the USA into compliance (the IRS and BATF do a pretty good job right now). His foreign policies and actions are blatantly nationalistic and racist, but not for the USA for the UN. He is a globalist who vehement supports the UN over the interests of all others and who's views and policies are demonstrably against people of European descent.

Hence it can rationally be concluded that Obama with the help of extreme leftists is leading the USA to a fascist state. From Dictionary.com:

Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

The Obama administration has rejected the very basis for the Great American Experiment. Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. His administration is calling on the USA to be governed not by the consent of the people but by consensus of other nations. Former US representative to the UN, John Bolton, clearly discusses the dramatic change Obama has in mind in is March 2009 commentary The Coming War On Sovereignty (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/the-coming-war-on-sovereignty-15080). Where he points out that ""the nation’s governing elite is in the process of taking a sharp, indeed radical, turn away from the principles and practices of representative self-government that have been at the core of the American experiment since the nation’s founding. . . . It is one in which the group of nations, of which the United States is but a single player among many, initiates policies and activities that would likely be designed to constrain the freedom of action of the United States in pursuit of harmony—not only in its activities abroad, but also in its activities within the 50 states."

Here is info on another example of government control seeking to correct a problem that doesn't exist. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=government+take+over+of+food

Obama and the democrats now want to control the very food you are allowed to grow in your back yard. Arguably the USA has the safest food in the world, mostly controlled through free market. Now you won't be able to sell or even giveaway the oranges, grapefruit, peppers, or whatever that you grow from your backyard without copious amounts of government paperwork. It would virtually outlaw almost every Farmer's Market in the country. That's liberty for you.

Yes all this effects us right here in Tampa Bay. It's gotten so bad, that up in little ol' Citrus County Florida, with a whopping 140,000 people and a unemployment rate larger than the most of Florida's, our State government has nothing better to do than enforcing rules against PotLuck dinners. Because the people of Homosassa Community Group dared to share a meal together without all of it being prepared in government approved and inspected kitchens. I haven't been reading in the news of a rash of sick people getting food poisoning from potluck's, have you?

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« #1 : April 02, 2009, 11:29:46 PM »

Maybe people will wake up someday and realize Republicans and Democrats suck...

But probably not.

anyone that believes in republicans and/or democrats has lost the ability to look at a situation without bias.

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« #2 : April 02, 2009, 09:14:04 PM »


I notice you didn't mention any of the CEOs who were forced to resign under GW Bush's bailout.

Power grab by the government has been creeping up on us for many years now.

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« #3 : April 02, 2009, 09:22:25 PM »

Troll be gone.

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« #4 : April 02, 2009, 09:34:29 PM »

Bush's regime fits the bill much more closely IMO


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« #6 : April 02, 2009, 11:26:01 PM »

Bush's regime fits the bill much more closely IMO

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« #7 : April 02, 2009, 11:27:08 PM »

Maybe people will wake up someday and realize Republicans and Democrats suck...

But probably not.


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« #8 : April 03, 2009, 08:09:19 AM »

Bush's regime fits the bill much more closely IMO

Bush was a big business socalist who at least payed lip service to individual freedom (actual deeds varied) but everyday US citizens had less to fear from him than they do now just three months after his leaving office.

Obama is a big government fascist who sneers at individual freedom.  It's under Obama and the Dems that we are having to worry about basic rights as freedom of speech and freedom of press and the God given right to protect yourself.

But as far as what happens to "We the People" there isn't a lot of difference between the two

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« #9 : April 03, 2009, 08:34:08 AM »

Bush's regime fits the bill much more closely IMO

Bush was a big business socalist who at least payed lip service to individual freedom (actual deeds varied) but everyday US citizens had less to fear from him than they do now just three months after his leaving office.

Obama is a big government fascist who sneers at individual freedom.  It's under Obama and the Dems that we are having to worry about basic rights as freedom of speech and freedom of press and the God given right to protect yourself.

But as far as what happens to "We the People" there isn't a lot of difference between the two

Open your eyes!!  This has nothing to do with Obama or Bush.  ITS OUR GOVERNMENT.


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« #10 : April 03, 2009, 09:38:20 AM »

Bush's regime fits the bill much more closely IMO

Bush was a big business socalist who at least payed lip service to individual freedom (actual deeds varied) but everyday US citizens had less to fear from him than they do now just three months after his leaving office.

Obama is a big government fascist who sneers at individual freedom. It's under Obama and the Dems that we are having to worry about basic rights as freedom of speech and freedom of press and the God given right to protect yourself.

But as far as what happens to "We the People" there isn't a lot of difference between the two

Open your eyes!! This has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. ITS OUR GOVERNMENT.

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« #11 : April 03, 2009, 10:54:16 AM »

To quote the right during the Bush administration:  "If you don't like it, leave".


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« #12 : April 03, 2009, 11:07:18 AM »

If they are going to get big money from the government to save their companies, then they have to abide by the rules like no big bonuses.


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« #13 : April 03, 2009, 11:13:39 AM »

If they are going to get big money from the government to save their companies, then they have to abide by the rules like no big bonuses.

True.  It's no different than a group of investors coming in, buying them and then revamping the way they do business.  Remember, if these companies were actually capable of wiping their own butts they wouldn't be in the position they are.  The Big 3 automakers made up over 50% of the market.  Yet they're folding???  Obviously, they are totally incapable of making sound decisions on their own. 


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« #14 : April 03, 2009, 11:15:32 AM »

retarded thread

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