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#30 : April 06, 2009, 09:53:47 AM

Apparently Java and Cyber listen to the talking heads too much.

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And you may find yourself in another part of the world
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And you may ask yourself-well...are the Bucs going to go 0-16?

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#31 : April 06, 2009, 10:01:28 AM

The Lions might actually have more talent than the Bucs.   Coach Gruden worked wonders for last year's Buc team to win 9 games.   Gruden isn't here to work his magic this year.   So 0-16 isn't completely out of the question.  Unlikely?  sure.   But not impossible.
So you'd rather keep Gruden and the old regime around to coach up some mediocre talent to 9-7 rather than try to fix the system that keeps bringing in mediocre players?

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#32 : April 06, 2009, 10:03:20 AM

The defense was ranked 29th in the league if you count only the last 4 games (31st in rushing defense).

thats great...

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#33 : April 06, 2009, 10:04:22 AM


Cant say that about the defensive line though. The defense was ranked 29th in the league if you count only the last 4 games (31st in rushing defense). And we've done NOTHING to upgrade that unit.

What about the other 12 games?

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#34 : April 06, 2009, 10:08:39 AM

Cyber doesn't use common sense when bashing the Bucs.

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#35 : April 06, 2009, 10:09:40 AM

Excellent point on your last post Feel Real Good!

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#36 : April 06, 2009, 10:10:09 AM


Cant say that about the defensive line though. The defense was ranked 29th in the league if you count only the last 4 games (31st in rushing defense). And we've done NOTHING to upgrade that unit.

What about the other 12 games?

9-3 thanks to Gru.

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#37 : April 06, 2009, 10:10:37 AM

Now who were the last 4 games thanks to Java?

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#38 : April 06, 2009, 10:12:58 AM

Now who were the last 4 games thanks to Java?
Monte Kiffin......


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#39 : April 06, 2009, 10:14:32 AM

The Lions might actually have more talent than the Bucs. � Coach Gruden worked wonders for last year's Buc team to win 9 games. � Gruden isn't here to work his magic this year. � So 0-16 isn't completely out of the question. �Unlikely? �sure. � But not impossible.
So you'd rather keep Gruden and the old regime around to coach up some mediocre talent to 9-7 rather than try to fix the system that keeps bringing in mediocre players?

Actually, the team needed to be rebuilt in 2007 after that 2006 disaster.  But Gruden wasn't provided that luxury.   This town was ready to run him out of town on a rail if he didn't win in 2007.  They didn't want any part of rebuilding that year.   Gruden really had no choice but to field retreads that year.   Had the Glazers said "Jon, go ahead and rebuild, we are keeping you on regardless of the fan displeasure" we'd already have the team rebuilt and on the way to a superbowl.    I blame the last 2 years of retreads more on the fans than anything else.

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#40 : April 06, 2009, 10:15:35 AM

Now who were the last 4 games thanks to Java?

Mainly Raheem.

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#41 : April 06, 2009, 10:17:14 AM

I love it, you sound just like Garcia. Who was the no playoff wins after the Super Bowl blamed for? Or the barely .500 record since then? Raheem's fault too?

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#42 : April 06, 2009, 10:19:04 AM

The Lions might actually have more talent than the Bucs. � Coach Gruden worked wonders for last year's Buc team to win 9 games. � Gruden isn't here to work his magic this year. � So 0-16 isn't completely out of the question. �Unlikely? �sure. � But not impossible.
So you'd rather keep Gruden and the old regime around to coach up some mediocre talent to 9-7 rather than try to fix the system that keeps bringing in mediocre players?

Actually, the team needed to be rebuilt in 2007 after that 2006 disaster. �But Gruden wasn't provided that luxury. � This town was ready to run him out of town on a rail if he didn't win in 2007. �They didn't want any part of rebuilding that year. � Gruden really had no choice but to field retreads that year.� �Had the Glazers said "Jon, go ahead and rebuild, we are keeping you on regardless of the fan displeasure" we'd already have the team rebuilt and on the way to a superbowl.� � I blame the last 2 years of retreads more on the fans than anything else.
Rebuilding should have started after the 2003 season.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#43 : April 06, 2009, 10:19:59 AM

Blaming it on the fans. This gets better and better

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#44 : April 06, 2009, 10:20:20 AM

2003 and 2004 were years with cap problems. 2006 we had injuries and QB problems. It is also when the Glazers started getting cheap because they wanted to acquire Manchester United.
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