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#15 : April 07, 2009, 11:44:16 AM

If I remember correctly, WIlliams' agent tried to argue that he should be paid the value of the pick that he would have been taken by the Vikings.
It wasn't Williams fault that the Vikings messed up, in their eyes. He was supposed to be their pick anyway.

Don't think that any agent would not try this with the Lions if they fell down a spot.

You do remember correctly and YES agents would definitely try this tactic. No doubt.

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#16 : April 07, 2009, 11:51:26 AM

IF Detroit were to try this tactic, what benefit would it be to make the 2nd pick in the draft?  That's totally stupid.  What, they don't want to pay the #1 pick $60 million, but are perfectly happy paying the #2 pick $59 million?  Absolutely rediculous.  IF they DO let their pick go without drafting a player, it would be in their best interest to wait about 6 or 7 picks and maybe even more where if they might get away with $45 million or so.

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#17 : April 07, 2009, 11:57:53 AM

1. Jake Long, Miami Dolphins - 5 years, $57.5 million ($30 million guaranteed)
2. Chris Long, St. Louis Rams - 6 years, $56.5 million ($29 million guaranteed)
3. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons - 6 years, $72 million ($34 million guaranteed)
4. Darren McFadden, Oakland Raiders - 6 years, $60 million ($26 million guaranteed)
5. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs - 5 years, $51 million ($23 million guaranteed)
6. Vernon Gholston, N.Y. Jets - 5 years, $50 million ($21 million guaranteed)
7. Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans Saints - 5 years, $49 million ($19.5 million guaranteed)
8. Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville Jaguars - 5 years, $33.4 million ($17.177 million guaranteed)
9. Keith Rivers, Cincinnati Bengals - 6 years, $23 million ($15.6 million guaranteed)
10. Jerod Mayo, New England Patriots - 5 years, $18.9 million ($13.8 million guaranteed)
11. Leodis McKelvin, Buffalo Bills - 5 years, $19.4 million ($12.6 million guaranteed)
12. Ryan Clady, Denver Broncos - 5 years, $17.5 million ($11.5 million guaranteed)
13. Jonathan Stewart, Carolina Panthers - 5 years, $20 million ($10.795 million guaranteed)
14. Chris Williams, Chicago Bears - 5 years, $16 million ($10 million guaranteed)
15. Branden Albert, Kansas City Chiefs - 5 years, $15.8 million ($9.2 million guaranteed)
16. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Arizona Cardinals - 5 years, $15.1 million ($9 million guaranteed)
17. Gosder Cherilus - Detroit Lions - 5 years, $15 million ($8.9 million guaranteed)
18. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens - 5 years, $30 million ($8.75 million guaranteed)
19. Jeff Otah, Carolina Panthers - 5 years, $14.4 million ($8.965 million guaranteed)
20. Aqib Talib, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 5 years, $14 million ($8.2 million guaranteed)

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#18 : April 07, 2009, 12:02:13 PM

I believe a team should be able to pass, but certain teams might use this all the time to try and save a buck.
Maybe if you do this one year, you cannot do it again for another year or two.

This only comse up when there is no clear cut #1, like this year. Wait until next year when all those QB's come out.

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#19 : April 07, 2009, 12:15:52 PM

We need a rookie cap.
That's what needs to be done.


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#20 : April 07, 2009, 01:07:14 PM

1. Jake Long, Miami Dolphins - 5 years, $57.5 million ($30 million guaranteed)
2. Chris Long, St. Louis Rams - 6 years, $56.5 million ($29 million guaranteed)
3. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons - 6 years, $72 million ($34 million guaranteed)
4. Darren McFadden, Oakland Raiders - 6 years, $60 million ($26 million guaranteed)
5. Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City Chiefs - 5 years, $51 million ($23 million guaranteed)
6. Vernon Gholston, N.Y. Jets - 5 years, $50 million ($21 million guaranteed)
7. Sedrick Ellis, New Orleans Saints - 5 years, $49 million ($19.5 million guaranteed)
8. Derrick Harvey, Jacksonville Jaguars - 5 years, $33.4 million ($17.177 million guaranteed)
9. Keith Rivers, Cincinnati Bengals - 6 years, $23 million ($15.6 million guaranteed)
10. Jerod Mayo, New England Patriots - 5 years, $18.9 million ($13.8 million guaranteed)
11. Leodis McKelvin, Buffalo Bills - 5 years, $19.4 million ($12.6 million guaranteed)
12. Ryan Clady, Denver Broncos - 5 years, $17.5 million ($11.5 million guaranteed)
13. Jonathan Stewart, Carolina Panthers - 5 years, $20 million ($10.795 million guaranteed)
14. Chris Williams, Chicago Bears - 5 years, $16 million ($10 million guaranteed)
15. Branden Albert, Kansas City Chiefs - 5 years, $15.8 million ($9.2 million guaranteed)
16. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Arizona Cardinals - 5 years, $15.1 million ($9 million guaranteed)
17. Gosder Cherilus - Detroit Lions - 5 years, $15 million ($8.9 million guaranteed)
18. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens - 5 years, $30 million ($8.75 million guaranteed)
19. Jeff Otah, Carolina Panthers - 5 years, $14.4 million ($8.965 million guaranteed)
20. Aqib Talib, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 5 years, $14 million ($8.2 million guaranteed)


Looking back, we got exceptional value in that draft. To lock up a starting caliber CB for 5 years for only $14 million is a steal, unless, of course, Talib goes Pacman on us and starts stinking it up.

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#21 : April 07, 2009, 01:11:07 PM

Looking back, we got exceptional value in that draft. To lock up a starting caliber CB for 5 years for only $14 million is a steal, unless, of course, Talib goes Pacman on us as starts stinking it up.

For sure.  Good call on that one by Gruden.

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#22 : April 07, 2009, 01:16:49 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.


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#23 : April 07, 2009, 01:41:28 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.

Exactly.

The 2nd QB will also make considerably more than the players taken in front of him in the draft.  Just look at Flacco.


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#24 : April 07, 2009, 01:45:41 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.

Remember that was a Rich McKay contract!!!

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#25 : April 07, 2009, 01:46:54 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.

Exactly.

The 2nd QB will also make considerably more than the players taken in front of him in the draft.  Just look at Flacco.

But look at the guaranteed money. You will still see the initial pattern.

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#26 : April 07, 2009, 01:48:23 PM

Wouldn't it be funny to see all 32 teams with their hands in their pockets staring at their shoes with the commish begging for someone, anyone to make a pick??

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#27 : April 07, 2009, 01:51:25 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.

Exactly.

The 2nd QB will also make considerably more than the players taken in front of him in the draft.  Just look at Flacco.

But look at the guaranteed money. You will still see the initial pattern.

For the most part, except Otah right behind Flacco got more than Flacco guaranteed.  He must have a good agent.

Although most rookie contracts, especially first-round players, are all but guaranteed.  The guaranteed money was similar, but the contract was almost double for Flacco.


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#28 : April 07, 2009, 01:56:52 PM

Looking at DTG's list, I think the 1st QB taken is going to get X regardless if it was pick #1 or #3. An OT or DL isn't going to get more $$ than a QB taken a few spots lower.

Exactly.

The 2nd QB will also make considerably more than the players taken in front of him in the draft.  Just look at Flacco.

But look at the guaranteed money. You will still see the initial pattern.
You can't just look at the total signing bonus, you have to look at the length of the contract, too. Last year everyone kissed Parcells' ass and ripped McKay for those contracts, but Long's bonus averages $6 million per year and Ryan's averages $5.67 million per year.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#29 : April 07, 2009, 01:57:04 PM

Wouldn't it be funny to see all 32 teams with their hands in their pockets staring at their shoes with the commish begging for someone, anyone to make a pick??

I would love that situation if Crabtree was on the board!

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