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#30 : April 20, 2009, 02:08:23 PM

Dominik said, "It didn't work out for the team and it didn't work out for the player", so I am guessing it was a player that is no longer with the team.

The whole thing is messed up. The lead in talks about three selections then the statement is about not working out for that player, as in one guy.  Sounds like the writer took takes from two separate points and tried to make one out of them, likely ruining any real insight or guesses we might have made.

 

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#31 : April 20, 2009, 02:17:19 PM

It sounds like the 2002 draft he is talking about. That would go a long way toward explaining the rift between McKay and Gruden. Interesting comment that McKay was  'very compartmentalized in his approach', so in other words he wasn't taking input from anyone.
Ah 2002. The infamous Marquis Walker over Brian Westbrook draft.

Could be.
I find it very unlikely any GM could make up his mind who his 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks would be before the draft. Way too much uncertainty.

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#32 : April 20, 2009, 02:26:48 PM

McKay was  'very compartmentalized in his approach', so in other words he wasn't taking input from anyone.

And that's the way it was with RM. After he wrested control of the draft from Sam, he vowed never again to let the coaching staff have influence over the draft selections. He called Sam's Sapp/Brooks draft in 1995 "a circus". Fortunately for Tampa Bay, it was Sam's "circus" (and Rusty Tillman's insistence that they trade back up and draft Brooks) that was responsible for two of the best performing Buccaneers in team history.

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#33 : April 20, 2009, 02:30:50 PM

McKay was  'very compartmentalized in his approach', so in other words he wasn't taking input from anyone.

And that's the way it was with RM. After he wrested control of the draft from Sam, he vowed never again to let the coaching staff have influence over the draft selections. He called Sam's Sapp/Brooks draft in 1995 "a circus". Fortunately for Tampa Bay, it was Sam's "circus" (and Rusty Tillman's insistence that they trade back up and draft Brooks) that was responsible for two of the best performing Buccaneers in team history.
Though wasn't Allen done in by the opposite - allowing everyone to have a say so no one ended up with true accountability? Hopefully Dominik can straddle listening to input from all his people but knowing he is the one ultimately responsible.

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#34 : April 20, 2009, 02:50:50 PM

McKay was  'very compartmentalized in his approach', so in other words he wasn't taking input from anyone.

And that's the way it was with RM. After he wrested control of the draft from Sam, he vowed never again to let the coaching staff have influence over the draft selections. He called Sam's Sapp/Brooks draft in 1995 "a circus". Fortunately for Tampa Bay, it was Sam's "circus" (and Rusty Tillman's insistence that they trade back up and draft Brooks) that was responsible for two of the best performing Buccaneers in team history.
Though wasn't Allen done in by the opposite - allowing everyone to have a say so no one ended up with true accountability?

Listening to others didn't end his accountability.  In the end, still his choice, he's accountable.

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