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: May 28, 2009, 03:05:26 PM

LFO your excuse is?


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#1 : May 28, 2009, 02:59:54 PM

Unlike FSU and UF, UM stays off police blotter
Dave Hyde | Sports Columnist
May 28, 2009
Sure, the e-mails are coming. I knew they would. Several a day. A couple of dozen in a week.

When a Florida State football player was arrested Tuesday for an incident involving a woman getting hit with a chair last November, a University of Miami fan wrote:

"If a Miami player did that, we'd be Thug U all over again ..."

When a Florida player was arrested last week for punching a man after trying to enter the victim's apartment, a Miami fan wondered why Urban Meyer wasn't being questioned about his 23rd player being arrested in four years.



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Richard Goodman of Florida State University faces felony charge "And don't tell me that winning cures all, because Miami was drilled by the media ten times as much when they won," the e-mail said.

All true. All fair. At least as far as it goes. There's a triple-standard being applied to the three state teams, at least if you only look at the time since Randy Shannon became coach more than a couple of years ago.

It's most pronounced by Florida and Miami. The arrest record in that span is about the same as the score on the field between these teams: Florida 15, Miami 1. And the one for Miami was freshman Robert Marve breaking a car mirror.

In the interim, Florida players have punched women, stolen property and been involved with guns and drugs. Yet nobody on ESPN is so much as reporting this. Nobody at Sports Illustrated is saying the Florida team picture should be taken from the front and the side.

Nobody at all is suggesting the University of Florida's championship luster should be dimmed even a little over the past four years by the arrest of 23 football players.

There's a hard lesson in this for Miami fans, and a harder warning for Florida fans. It's not as easy as the big, bad media picking on the Hurricanes, either. It's something you're told early in life: Once you lose your reputation, it's hard to get back.

Florida State has had its issues, but its national reputation isn't nearly as scarred as Miami's.

Miami lost its reputation, fair and square. There can't be any revisionist history here. This dates to 1986 when there were fights, arrests and phone-card frauds that involved 40 players.

In following years there was a Pell Grant scandal, the covering up of Warren Sapp's drug test and a rap star allegedly offering money for big hits on opponents. Even after Butch Davis calmed the waters, there came incidents that took the national story on a different, sensational tact: The murder of two players and an ugly brawl with FIU.

Did the players' murders, even if they were the victims, play into some national image of Miami? Sadly, yes. Was the brawl video overplayed? Sure.

But a couple of quiet years under Shannon can't completely erase years of issues. They help explain why I hope Shannon succeeds at Miami, though.

He is trying to show that winning and behavior aren't tied together. That's the cliche: On-field success and bad off-field behavior have a direct relationship.

Miami provides this warning to Florida: You're one ugly story or video moment from turning those 23 arrests under Meyer into national fodder. He better get a handle on this.

He has brought in lecturers to talk to the team. He says he's leaned on assistant coaches.

"There's not a day that goes by that we don't discuss all of the issues, the potential issues, that are out there," he told The Gainesville Sun.

"We've had a few of them, but we're getting a little better."

Last week's arrest marks the fifth Gator arrested in a year. That's better? No one expects a perfect mark. These are college kids, after all. But the way things are going, maybe Meyer should try something different before his school's reputation changes.

Maybe he should pick up the phone.

Maybe he should call Randy Shannon.

Dave Hyde can be reached

at dhyde@SunSentinel.com



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#2 : May 28, 2009, 06:03:32 PM

kids that win championship think they are untouchable.  kids that win only half of their games only have 1/2 the ego.  and fsu has a coach that takes halftime naps.

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#3 : May 28, 2009, 06:14:52 PM

kids that win championship think they are untouchable. kids that win only half of their games only have 1/2 the ego. and fsu has a coach that takes halftime naps.
Im still waiting to hear the sanctions for FSU why the delay get on the all time wrist slapper lol


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#4 : May 28, 2009, 06:16:04 PM

kids that win championship think they are untouchable. kids that win only half of their games only have 1/2 the ego. and fsu has a coach that takes halftime naps.

If thats what makes you feel better about recruiting women beaters
Again nice program you got there


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#5 : May 28, 2009, 07:19:01 PM

If thats what makes you feel better about recruiting women beaters
Again nice program you got there

who are the women beaters that are part of the UF program?

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#6 : May 28, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

lol im j/k with you guys
But Honestly i really dont like David Hyde as a writer he' totally off on why Miami is called THUG U. But do you understand the message he's sending?


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#7 : May 28, 2009, 09:41:31 PM

Excuse for what?  How many of these people are still on the team?  And of those still on the team, how many were actually convicted of any crime?

You can't help what young men do on their own time, especially when on their own for the first time.  Take Cam Newton.  Was supposedly a great kid, high grades, classy, high marks from everyone.  He made a stupid mistake, stole (allegedly) a computer.  Is it Urban's fault?  This guy was by all accounts a good kid, he just made a dumb move.  And you know what?  Where is he now?  He's gone. 

Then take a guy like Carl Johnson.  He is accused by an ex-girlfriend of some bad things.  Eventually she recants and/or her story falls through....charges dropped.  That still counts as an arrest.

Are either of these Meyer's fault?  And what is more important - the crime or the punishment?  NOBODY can control young men...and as Cam shows, you can't even control what supposedly GOOD kids do....so you can't say...recruit better players.  All you can do is try and mold them, make them into men...and if they get out of line punish and try to direct them.  I think Urban has done a fine job of trying to help kids but at the same time getting rid of them when they don't follow his rules.  Nobody deserves to be cut loose after 1 transgression or depending on the circumstances even 2....and I think Urban has done well at trying to help kids but at the same time being strict enough on them to not make them want to step out of line.

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#8 : May 28, 2009, 09:57:29 PM

Dude the point of that story is understand. Whats going on with UF and the arrest if you start blowing teams away this year the press will dig dirt. You dont want that bad image like Miami got. Say for instance if we didnt blow every one away like we did the press wouldnt of dug. IMHO the name THUG U came from Howard and Jimmie recruiting inner city kids from Miami. They taught them football but not respect. The way they played the game back then the world was'nt ready for taunting trash talking etc. The fact that they brought in ghetto black kids and blew away preppy white schools like the Oklahomas the Notre Dames the FSU the press painted an ugly picture. The results Butch Davis esembled one of the greatest teams in CFB like Meyer has done now. The results 2000 we got snubbed for playing for the BCS TITLE they put HALF ASS U  to play oklahoma after we beat them that same year. 2002 would that ref in the Ohio st game threw that flag if we didnt have that image probably not. The point is behind his story is don't get that image the press will eat it up and thats what everyone reads.


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#9 : May 28, 2009, 10:21:48 PM

Florida was attacked by the press after the BCSNCG in 2006/7, this is nothing new.

Miami got THUG U by the way they acted ON THE FIELD more than off.  They were brash and **CENSORED**y, not to mention the 2 live crew and getting paid for big hits, plays etc. 

A coach should be able to control more what happens on the field than off.  The Miami players in the 80's early 90's were known as thugs because of the taunting, **CENSORED**iness, fighting, dirty play etc. 

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#10 : May 28, 2009, 10:26:45 PM

Florida was attacked by the press after the BCSNCG in 2006/7, this is nothing new.

Miami got THUG U by the way they acted ON THE FIELD more than off. They were brash and **CENSORED**y, not to mention the 2 live crew and getting paid for big hits, plays etc.

A coach should be able to control more what happens on the field than off. The Miami players in the 80's early 90's were known as thugs because of the taunting, **CENSORED**iness, fighting, dirty play etc.

Thats why IMHO Shannon is the perfect man for the job. He just needs to establish good coordinators.Whipple is a way better upgrade over Nix.


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#11 : May 29, 2009, 12:39:08 AM

Florida was attacked by the press after the BCSNCG in 2006/7, this is nothing new.

Miami got THUG U by the way they acted ON THE FIELD more than off.  They were brash and **CENSORED**y, not to mention the 2 live crew and getting paid for big hits, plays etc. 

A coach should be able to control more what happens on the field than off.  The Miami players in the 80's early 90's were known as thugs because of the taunting, **CENSORED**iness, fighting, dirty play etc. 

Miami got the thug U tag when the entire team, with the HCs knowledge and approval, showed up at a Pre-Bowl game FORMAL dinner Sponsored by the Bowl committee in camouflage jackets and shorts while their opponent, Penn State, showed up in the appropriate suits and ties. It was that the entire staff did nothing to discourage ( in fact they encouraged it) this blatant disrespect of the Bowl committee and the Bowl itself, that led to the Thug U label.

It wasn't just some kids being kids, it was a Head Coach, and all his assistants, not only condoning but actually encouraging disrespectful behavior. It was the Fiesta Bowl Committee and it's sponsors that coined the phrase Thug U and it was aimed at the Coaches and admins as much as at the students. 


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#12 : May 29, 2009, 12:50:12 AM

Whipple is a way better upgrade over Nix.


Ah, but will he let them squeeze the Charmin?




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#13 : May 29, 2009, 01:02:28 AM

Florida was attacked by the press after the BCSNCG in 2006/7, this is nothing new.

Miami got THUG U by the way they acted ON THE FIELD more than off.  They were brash and **CENSORED**y, not to mention the 2 live crew and getting paid for big hits, plays etc. 

A coach should be able to control more what happens on the field than off.  The Miami players in the 80's early 90's were known as thugs because of the taunting, **CENSORED**iness, fighting, dirty play etc. 

Miami got the thug U tag when the entire team, with the HCs knowledge and approval, showed up at a Pre-Bowl game FORMAL dinner Sponsored by the Bowl committee in camouflage jackets and shorts while their opponent, Penn State, showed up in the appropriate suits and ties. It was that the entire staff did nothing to discourage ( in fact they encouraged it) this blatant disrespect of the Bowl committee and the Bowl itself, that led to the Thug U label.

It wasn't just some kids being kids, it was a Head Coach, and all his assistants, not only condoning but actually encouraging disrespectful behavior. It was the Fiesta Bowl Committee and it's sponsors that coined the phrase Thug U and it was aimed at the Coaches and admins as much as at the students. 

Yes, I mentioned this in other threads as well. 

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#14 : May 29, 2009, 11:00:08 AM

Whipple is a way better upgrade over Nix.


Ah, but will he let them squeeze the Charmin?




Not sure what that means but make sure you stash a roll of that charmin you'll need it the next time you face Miami.

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