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#30 : July 01, 2009, 11:31:28 PM

Good plan littlericky - it is your opinion and your decision - go for it and I hope you're right - hell - you better be right or it is going to be a long four months

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#31 : July 01, 2009, 11:45:55 PM

1-7 career record...Browns didn't want him, Gruden didn't want him, Raheem doesn't want him enough said!

Browns didnt want him, yet spent a 4th round pick on him?
Gruden didnt want him, yet traded a 6th round pick for him and kept him around through unfortunate injuries?
Raheem doesn't want him, yet he made it clear to Luke he did and is letting him compete to start?

The problem with Luke isn't talent or production, its his consistency. He has a bad play or two that hurts the team a lot but he has shown flashes of a very capable starter. Who knows what would have happened in 2006 if Luke doesn't blow out his knee in OTA's and it is him and not Gradkowski.. he may have ended up the franchise guy by now.

Nobody here can really say much else about him and the only way were gonna find out what we got is to let him compete and let him play.


You don't get it:
-Browns got rid of him
-Gruden never played him
-'Rah went out and got lefty and used a #1 pick on a QB
-Everywhere the guy went coaches saw potential but in the end nobody wants the guy...maybe the Arena2 will take him and keep him.
****END OF DISCUSSION****

Bring back GRUDEN!!!

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#32 : July 02, 2009, 04:59:51 PM

gruden also never played galloway last year
gruden never played graham befor caddy got hurt
the browns did'nt want him  well they dont want Edwars or Quinn but half the people that post here thought we should have traded for them.

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#33 : July 02, 2009, 05:04:03 PM

1-7 career record...Browns didn't want him, Gruden didn't want him, Raheem doesn't want him enough said!

Browns didnt want him, yet spent a 4th round pick on him?
Gruden didnt want him, yet traded a 6th round pick for him and kept him around through unfortunate injuries?
Raheem doesn't want him, yet he made it clear to Luke he did and is letting him compete to start?

The problem with Luke isn't talent or production, its his consistency. He has a bad play or two that hurts the team a lot but he has shown flashes of a very capable starter. Who knows what would have happened in 2006 if Luke doesn't blow out his knee in OTA's and it is him and not Gradkowski.. he may have ended up the franchise guy by now.

Nobody here can really say much else about him and the only way were gonna find out what we got is to let him compete and let him play.


You don't get it:
-Browns got rid of him
-Gruden never played him
-'Rah went out and got lefty and used a #1 pick on a QB
-Everywhere the guy went coaches saw potential but in the end nobody wants the guy...maybe the Arena2 will take him and keep him.
****END OF DISCUSSION****

End of discussion my ass. McCown was traded away because a new regime came in and we all know that new regimes = new QBs. Gruden never played him because despite him being a good coach, the man is absolutely awful at evaluating talent and its why hes unemployed right now. Leftwich was brought in to push Luke and Raheem drafted Freeman to bring a long-term plan and some stability to this franchise, something Gruden never brought in. McCown is being given a great opportunity which is something he has not had yet and now he will finally get a chance to show whether or not he can be a legit starter.

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#34 : July 02, 2009, 05:36:18 PM

Yeah, I still have nightmares about that pick 6 he threw to Mike McKenzie. It was too Brian Griese like.

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#35 : July 02, 2009, 05:56:20 PM

End of discussion my butt. McCown was traded away because a new regime came in and we all know that new regimes = new QBs.


Really, other than the nitwit McDaniels how often do teams dump good QB's? Seriously, new coaches = new QB's often because bad QB = bad records = new coaches but just because you have a new regime doesn't mean they cut bait on promising players, especially at the most important spot on the field.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#36 : July 02, 2009, 06:15:36 PM

Im not saying Luke is better then anybody im just saying He has the potential to be good. I was just naming another qb that had a bumpy road but finally got his chance and did good. theres more Warner,Johnson,Romo. I will stick up for Mccown until I actually see what he can do if he suck i'll admit I was wrong.


I'll say it then. Luke is the best option we have. I pray he delivers. IMO we should have kept J.Garcia for this year. I mean it's about winning, right?

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#37 : July 03, 2009, 02:55:27 AM

End of discussion my butt. McCown was traded away because a new regime came in and we all know that new regimes = new QBs.


Really, other than the nitwit McDaniels how often do teams dump good QB's? Seriously, new coaches = new QB's often because bad QB = bad records = new coaches but just because you have a new regime doesn't mean they cut bait on promising players, especially at the most important spot on the field.

McDaniels is the exception to the rule. He thinks hes Bill Belicheck himself out there in Denver.

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#38 : July 03, 2009, 03:21:01 AM

End of discussion my butt. McCown was traded away because a new regime came in and we all know that new regimes = new QBs.


Really, other than the nitwit McDaniels how often do teams dump good QB's? Seriously, new coaches = new QB's often because bad QB = bad records = new coaches but just because you have a new regime doesn't mean they cut bait on promising players, especially at the most important spot on the field.

McDaniels is the exception to the rule. He thinks hes Bill Belicheck himself out there in Denver.

McDaniels may think he is Belichick but he is performing more like Matt Millen.

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#39 : July 03, 2009, 03:48:52 AM

End of discussion my butt. McCown was traded away because a new regime came in and we all know that new regimes = new QBs.


Really, other than the nitwit McDaniels how often do teams dump good QB's? Seriously, new coaches = new QB's often because bad QB = bad records = new coaches but just because you have a new regime doesn't mean they cut bait on promising players, especially at the most important spot on the field.

McDaniels is the exception to the rule. He thinks hes Bill Belicheck himself out there in Denver.

McDaniels may think he is Belichick but he is performing more like Matt Millen.

I still believe that the Bears are still going to be average, and getting two firsts isn't a bad thing if you are denver. For the next two seasons they'll at least have FOUR 1st round picks. And chances are that they will get 15 and higher on both picks each season. Losing Cutler might actually be a better thing than most of us initially thought. I'm not at all saying McDaniels is doing anything good out there by losing Cutler, but from a growth standpoint, it's not too bad of a start for a team that had a disgruntled "Elite" QB. The Broncos have very little to work with this season however.

[Imo Cutler already wanted out before McDaniels ever got there. He used McDaniels as a cover.]


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#40 : July 03, 2009, 05:26:43 AM

Ever notice how Luke's detractors can't even get his won loss record correct? He started four games as a rookie on a crappy Cleveland Brown team and three games for the Bucs and somehow has a 1-7 record. His single win was the only game in which Gruden played all of his starters. He completed 15 consecutive passes in his first start and had a QB rating over 100 in his three starts and 91 overall in the five games he played in that year. That is an outstanding performance for a seasoned veteran QB and he's not. In actual game experience he's still a rookie, yet some here expect error free play from him. Why the higher standard? Griese is prone to interceptions and every play is a busted play with Garcia and they are loaded with "experience". You can't expect perfection from a guy who has started five games with first string players. Just for the record, Luke didn't lose those SIX starts by himself. He had help.

IMO Jon Gruden chose experience over talent and ability and it cost him his job. Gruden is great at Xs and Os but sucks when it comes to personnel decisions. His foul mouth and Luke's religious obsession were not a good match. Morris will give Luke a fair shot until Freeman is ready to take over (skill and ability>experience) and Luke will have enough exposure to latch on with another team. Some here will then complain about the Bucs letting another good QB get away. Some people just can't be happy unless they have something to complain about.

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#41 : July 03, 2009, 01:56:57 PM

sparkplug1,

Luke committed a dumb SAFETY & threw a Pick6. (9 pts)
Reggie Bush/Sean Payton handed the game to the Bucs with their stupidity.

Then he went and lost the game At San Fran.


Luke ain't nothing special...


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#42 : July 03, 2009, 02:40:29 PM

Okay, I always heard about Luke's 1-7 record as a starter and just did some digging.

2004 for Cleveland Browns:

Luke's first game is while the team is in week 13 at which point the team is 3-8.

1. vs. New England Patriots Lost 42 - 15. Even with his team leading by 35 in the third quarter, Patriots coach Bill Belichick refused to call off his defense and continued to blitz rookie quarterback Luke McCown, who was making his first start. In one series, McCown was sacked three straight times. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/games/2004-12-05-patriots-browns_x.htm

Luke McCown     CLE     20     34     277     2     2     53     1     11     0     11 compared to the winning QB that game
Tom Brady     NWE     11     20     157     1     1     44     1     10     0     10

2.      vs. Buffallo Lost 37 - 7 a game in which he take 8 sacks for 70 yards. Three of the sacks came when McCown was in the shotgun, and he STILL had less than 2 seconds to try to find a receiver.  Browns are missing 8 starters in this game. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/games/2004-12-12-bills-browns_x.htm  
Luke McCown     CLE     8     20     62     1     2     18     2     11     0     11     compared to the winning QB
Drew Bledsoe     BUF     12     27     100     1     1     24     1     0     0     0     

3.  vs. San Diego Chargers lost 21 - 0  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/games/2004-12-19-chargers-browns_x.htm
Luke McCown     CLE     11     27     108     0     1     39     1     4     0     4     vs. winning QB
Drew Brees     SDG     4     6     85     1     0     72     6     -1     0     3     

4. vs. Miami  lost 7-10  Olinde Mare scores a 51 field goal with seconds left on the clock. Suggs fumbled the ball 3 times, once at the Dolphins 2 yd line, ending a promising drive.  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/games/2004-12-27-dolphins-browns_x.htm
Luke McCown     CLE     9     16     161     1     2     58     2     -1     0     0                 
A.J. Feeley     MIA            25     43     176     1     0     18         

After reading the game reports, looking at stats etc. I agree that Luke McCown sucks and should never play another down of Football.  It is very obvious to me that he ruined a great Browns team season by his crappy performances.  A stellar defense and injury free team would have made the super bowl if he could have just pulled it together.


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#43 : July 03, 2009, 02:44:01 PM

he threw picks in all of those games...


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#44 : July 03, 2009, 03:22:41 PM

i bet peyton manning threw some INT's his rookie season as well...

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