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#15 : July 21, 2009, 05:06:41 PM

My vote is for this beast

He'll be a good consolation prize for someone picking in the top 5.

Wouldn't mind Carlos Dunlap either.

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#16 : July 21, 2009, 05:24:27 PM

DT: Appears to be a banner crop and DT is a huge need.
WR: Only if there is some sort of Larry Fitzgerald/Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson type freak. Is Dez Bryant that guy? Probably not.
LT: Right now there only looks like one worth a top 10 pick and if Russell Okung is available I'd pull the trigger.
DE: Should be a good group.
CB: More and more you're just not seeing corners go in the top 10. We already have our #1 corner, so I don't think we need a top 10 pick to guard other teams' #2 receivers.
LOL, is this a bad joke? You've never seen Dez Bryant, ever. Not a freak? There aren't many guys with his fantastic hands, spectacular leaping ability, and route running. Rejus Benn is good too and probably even better.

Okung isn't even the best LT in the nation.; Bryan Bulaga is. Okung got embarrassed by Brian Orakpo in their only head to head match-up. Had it went the other way, I'm 100% sure he enters the draft. Bulaga is the most dominating LT in CF and probably right next to Hudson as overall linemen.

We need DL bad. Either DT or DE. Ndamkung Suh/Dunlap/McCoy/Hardy/Selvie

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#17 : July 21, 2009, 05:32:53 PM

LOL, is this a bad joke? You've never seen Dez Bryant, ever. Not a freak? There aren't many guys with his fantastic hands, spectacular leaping ability, and route running. Rejus Benn is good too and probably even better.
So you're positive Bryant and Benn are Fitz/AJ/CJ level freaks and not Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Reggie Williams, Rashaun Woods, Charles Rogers, Donte Stallworth, Ashley Lelie level freaks? I want to be sure.

Okung isn't even the best LT in the nation.; Bryan Bulaga is. Okung got embarrassed by Brian Orakpo in their only head to head match-up. Had it went the other way, I'm 100% sure he enters the draft. Bulaga is the most dominating LT in CF and probably right next to Hudson as overall linemen.
We'll see, but I know Vernon Gholston embarrassed Jake Long in 2007 and Long turned out ok so you can't read too much into one game. Bulaga may be good for a power team, but Okung is more suited for playing space.

We need DL bad. Either DT or DE. Ndamkung Suh/Dunlap/McCoy/Hardy/Selvie
Won't argue that.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#18 : July 21, 2009, 06:05:07 PM

I know its a bit early but if some people are predicting we play as bad as some expect us to be, what do you think we should do with our pick (possible top 5 pick overall). Here are some of the positions I think we could use a "Franchise" player at...


1. DT: We came across a one of a kind player in Warren Sapp and I don't think we could ever find another like him. But the fact still remains we need someone whose just like him to play in the trenches on the D and bring back the nasty line mentality we once had. Pairing up Dre Moore and Roy Miller with another stud DT could leave us with some serious tackle depth for years.

2. WR: Bryant will walk from Tampa after this season. He is already pissed about not getting a long term deal and I think hes going to walk for more money elsewhere. Plus hes getting up in age so we need some type of answer at the No.1 position. Moving Michael Clayton to the No.1 spot is a sign of a weak and pathetic group of WRs. We need to find a stud for Freeman to throw to. Winslow basically playing WR is a sign that we need to fix the problem.

3. LT: I am not a Donald Penn believer. I think the dude should just shut up and play and earn that pay raise. The guy was an average LT who looked good against some of the best DEs in the game. He still gave up more sacks then anyone else on the line and he needs to do better then what he did the years before to prove it. Thats why I think we could have had Michael Oher who would have been a very nice addition to our Young but Good Offensive Line.

4. DE: Gaines Adams better do his job this year or he will be a major bust. I really wanted Paul Kruger to be a Buc but theres no way he was slipping for us to get. The Bucs got a good prospect in Kyle Moore but thats a developing talent. We need a premier pass rusher to take on the LTs and get the QB. Why the Bucs are so adamant on playing Adams on the Right Side annoys the #%^!* out of me because he sucks on that side and is much better at taking on the RTs. We need another Simeon, without the attitude.

5. CB: Talib and Mack are going to be stars for this team but we still could use another day 1 talent back here. The Safeties are stack with talent and I think another CB could really make our backfield a major force. Ronde is getting old and needs to retire. We need another big hitting shut down corner that can help the Bucs. Basically we need a Brian Kelly (who stays healthy).



Those are my top 5 positions in the right order we need for next year. Yes its early now but I think at the end of the season these are the positions that will affect us the most in the games. Just thought I would share and see what you guys think.

We should really draft a franchise QB.

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#19 : July 21, 2009, 07:09:58 PM

So you're positive Bryant and Benn are Fitz/AJ/CJ level freaks and not Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Reggie Williams, Rashaun Woods, Charles Rogers, Donte Stallworth, Ashley Lelie level freaks? I want to be sure.
Williams had inconsistent hands, only put up good numbers put up good measurables. Rogers was good before he broke his collarbone. Woods was drafted in the late first round, he doesn't even sniff nowhere near Dez. Dez smokes him in just about every category. I'd say Dez is closer to Edwards than anybody and coming out with much better hands. Edwards also had inconsistent hands coming out from Michigan. Benn and Bryant are very good. I don't see any thing in their games that I sense bust. I don't see any weaknesses in either of those guys.

We'll see, but I know Vernon Gholston embarrassed Jake Long in 2007 and Long turned out ok so you can't read too much into one game. Bulaga may be good for a power team, but Okung is more suited for playing space.
I know that. But, Gholston embarrassed Long for two plays. Orakpo embarrassed Okung the whole game, there's the difference. Orakpo dominated Okung the whole game. VG had two good plays and didn't do nothing the whole game. And you don't have a clue about Bulaga. Iowa operates the Zone Blocking Scheme that we run under Jags. He's an underrated run blocker as well. So the notion of him not being suited for playing space is pretty illogical considering he's in the same system we run....



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#20 : July 21, 2009, 07:21:33 PM

DL and CB appear to be our top needs.  After that a game breaking WR. 

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#21 : July 21, 2009, 07:28:37 PM

If we draft a #2 CB in the first round.. I'll puke

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#22 : July 21, 2009, 08:28:12 PM

Williams had inconsistent hands, only put up good numbers put up good measurables. Rogers was good before he broke his collarbone. Woods was drafted in the late first round, he doesn't even sniff nowhere near Dez. Dez smokes him in just about every category. I'd say Dez is closer to Edwards than anybody and coming out with much better hands. Edwards also had inconsistent hands coming out from Michigan. Benn and Bryant are very good. I don't see any thing in their games that I sense bust. I don't see any weaknesses in either of those guys.
Again I'm not really commenting on any specific part of Bryant's game, just saying wide receivers, perhaps more than any other position, have a way of looking dominant in college and then completely disappearing once it is time for the NFL. Maybe Bryant will be good, but in my mind only 3 receivers under the age of 30 right now would be worth top 10 picks so I don't like those odds.

I know that. But, Gholston embarrassed Long for two plays. Orakpo embarrassed Okung the whole game, there's the difference. Orakpo dominated Okung the whole game. VG had two good plays and didn't do nothing the whole game. And you don't have a clue about Bulaga. Iowa operates the Zone Blocking Scheme that we run under Jags. He's an underrated run blocker as well. So the notion of him not being suited for playing space is pretty illogical considering he's in the same system we run....
Well as of right now we don't even know exactly what kind of system Coach Jags is going to implement, as there is a pretty big difference between the largely passing offense with Robinson and Bryant at OSU and the largely running offense with Greene at Iowa, so maybe Bulaga would be fine, but if I had to put money down on who I would feel better about using a top 10 pick it on and who would be most comfortable in space it would be Okung.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#23 : July 21, 2009, 08:32:30 PM

Don't use it

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#24 : July 21, 2009, 09:03:23 PM

Again I'm not really commenting on any specific part of Bryant's game, just saying wide receivers, perhaps more than any other position, have a way of looking dominant in college and then completely disappearing once it is time for the NFL. Maybe Bryant will be good, but in my mind only 3 receivers under the age of 30 right now would be worth top 10 picks so I don't like those odds.
Right. Hopefully, taking a top 10 WR is the last option. We have Bryant and Winslow who should be able to suffice for now. Maybe later in the draft find that future #1 to replace Bryant; he's already 28. And if we're picking top 10 it obviously won't be because we didn't have enough ammo to win games...

Well as of right now we don't even know exactly what kind of system Coach Jags is going to implement, as there is a pretty big difference between the largely passing offense with Robinson and Bryant at OSU and the largely running offense with Greene at Iowa, so maybe Bulaga would be fine, but if I had to put money down on who I would feel better about using a top 10 pick it on and who would be most comfortable in space it would be Okung.
I'm pretty sure it's the Zone Blocking Scheme. That's the same system he ran at Green Bay, Atlanta, and Boston College. Which he had success where ever he's been at. While I'm aware of the teams oriented offenses, Bulaga is just as good in pass pro as he is on the ground. He's a more dominate version of Ryan Clady. Needless to say, we aren't an elite LT away from winning a SB. If that position is causing the team to fail then yes take it. But, if Penn is playing solid every season the need becomes non-existant.

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#25 : July 21, 2009, 09:09:29 PM

DT from Nebraska please.

Love the name.  Love the potential.

Need a DT...next...


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#26 : July 21, 2009, 09:55:26 PM

having has all QBs get whupped in '09, we get Tebow and keep Luke as back up.




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#27 : July 21, 2009, 10:13:37 PM

I have no idea who the pick will be but I know where the pick will be. Top 10. Maybe even Top 5.
Or 32...

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#28 : July 21, 2009, 10:40:15 PM

Needless to say, we aren't an elite LT away from winning a SB. If that position is causing the team to fail then yes take it. But, if Penn is playing solid every season the need becomes non-existant.



That depends on whether Penn is demanding an elite LT contract.

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#29 : July 21, 2009, 10:55:46 PM

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