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: August 02, 2009, 12:39:08 PM

my slant is apparent because it is obvious. �there's no hidden agenda on my end. �i believe in specific measures that would be wildly unpopular to many, but would be IMO in the best interests of our country. �the whole military is a volunteer organization. �they know the drill in terms of protecting us against opposing forces both foreign and domestic. �you can discount that and add your slant which appears to be a borderless world with regularly updated rules of law depending on the era and that time is the moral compass. �

i call that hyperbole and worst of all, there is no plan intertwined in the rhetoric. �it's utopia, but it's irrelevant. �but, if your answer to the world's ills is to wish in one hand and crap in the other - see which fills up first. �we don't have the luxury of dealing in theory or on a chalkboard... as you say - time marches on. �we have what we've built, so short of your population massacre, we kinda have to work within the framework of that which our forefathers gave us. �as inconvenient as that may be - it has a good track record vs. the entirety of known history. �watching efforts to multiply California by 50 surely doesn't seem like a good starting point to most.

our soldiers, in your opinion, are dying for reasons outside of the protection of our country, but the president's hometown is enjoying what he left in his wake with one headline after the other - been a great year back in the old neighborhood. �i'm a little more ol' fashioned. �i think the best and the bravest we have to offer and who volunteer for the right to wear the uniform do so with honor, believe in their mission, and by and large are better people for the experience. �we don't retain a military because the food is so good...

so specifically, without another New World Order theory, how do we get to your utopia? �let's assume we don't get that small meteor you're after. �i would argue that you're wasting a pretty good mind on things that will never come to pass. �this doesn't elevate you personally or professionally, so it is either a hobby or your slant is as bad/polar as mine...

I do say (partially in jest) that the easy way would be a disaster/rebuild approach.  However, barring that, we could achieve the same result via World War.  And we're already headed in the right direction.  A failed WW3 that leaves the super powers crippled and economically bankrupt would essentially force a one world governing body to A) feed the masses and B) insure against such recklessness in the future.  It really isn't that far fetched.  All we need is a little push...

Once nations are united under one banner there is no need for independent armies, just national guards. The world government would retain all of the military might and essentially use to  keep peace between the nation states.  And, yes, an evolving Constitution is quite feasible.  Just as we vote on amendments today, the people of the world would vote on ratifications based on current popular opinion.  Because, really, what else matters?  It's all a bunch of spin and rhetoric, why not give people the "freedom" to shape their own world?  The Gvnt's stance would merely to keep the people from the mob mentality, and insure a certain hard and fast set of basic human rights. 

As for our soldiers---the majority of them fully believe that they're doing their duty out of a sense of honor/pride.  Of course, it's because we brainwash them to believe so. And brave?  Not nearly as much as you'd like to believe.  They're scared ****less overthere, fighting just to stay alive, running off the basic human trait of fight or flight.  I've talked to many a soldier who has returned from Iraq and is flat  out disgusted by what we're doing over there.  For example, many of our laypeople are unaware that the "surge" only appeared to work because behind the scenes we began bribing the locals not to fight us/each other.  As long as they're on the payroll, it gives the illusion of de-escalated violence.  Which means, we're now in bed with the enemy, in somewhat of a conspiracy, just to fool the American People into believing that their children haven't/aren't dying in vain.  As soon as we pull out troops and stop the payouts, the nation of Iraq will crumble into civil war and the people will suffer even worse than they did under Saddam.  When Barack Obama promised to pull out the troops in his campaign speeches, he had no idea just how impossible that has become.  Whichever President actually pulls the trigger on the withdraw orders will be the one blamed forever for the military failure initially set in motion by the Bush Administration.  It's a no-win situation for any President, and a clear example of why you don't let individual nations have this much power.


My "slant" is far beyond the meaningless politics of this crude nation.  Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative...it's all a bunch of crap.  It's all just rhetoric and spin designed to fool people into voting them into power.  Nearly everything we're taught to believe in this country about politics, history or religion is just part of a the  power grab of greedy, dangerous men.  Can people be trusted to follow a "moral compass".  Of course they can, to a point.  See, natural selection has equipped humanity with a basic set of universal "morals" intended to insure the survival of the human race.  Certain violations are universal in every nation, every tribe on earth.  This shall be the beginnings of a true constitution.  Violate not these rules, and otherwise, live how you please.



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#1 : August 03, 2009, 09:35:39 AM

i agree with mrkts - in fact, i believe the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness applies to all life - not just the ones that were fortunate enough to not get whacked in week 22 of their term...

if one is naive enough to think that motive disappears in a singular gov't, then you should go through a fitting for a tin foil cap.  as long as there is power to be had - people will grab it, whether they are ruling a country or a world.  think of Farmer Ted in the Breakfast Club - even he was the self proclaimed "king of the dip$hit$"...

it wasn't much more than a 100 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence that the "west was won" using firearms.  to give up your personal rights to gun possession is to suggest you have no reason to fear the oppression of big gov't.  look at freakin' China!  that's working out great for folks, eh?  SuperPower and all...  and they've got about a 5,000 year head start!

i can't get past this line of thinking that inheriting a multi-billion dollar deficit is a bad thing, and therefore i'll ramp it up to trillions and the left finds this perfectly fine?  what?

more deaths in Afghanistan ever - where the F's Code Pink?  where's Cindy Sheehan?  where's Huff Post?  where's Kos?  no comment?  or are these deaths in Barry's new front still on W's tab?

you can veil your hypocrisy any way you'd like, but when the vitriole for one man is silenced in favor of another who hasn't changed a thing, and only multiplied the problems - you are certainly a hypocrite.

where's the finish line for when Obama's presidency actually becomes his?  Reagan didn't get to "inherit" what Carter left in his wake.  W got a watered down military and a crumbling stock market house of cards thanks to Frank, Dodd, Holder, et al.  

where's my New GM stock certificates? i read somewhere that i'm an owner... when do we vote on the board?  why have we no say, in a quorum, to ratify the proposal of an industry Czar that answers only to the White House?  what if Bush had done this?  the silence is laughable.

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#2 : August 03, 2009, 09:35:59 AM

Well, you see, that's the thing. In this country we are allowed to have radical beliefs different from yours. The Constitution was pretty radical in it's time and it's rather naive to think that something that was written in the 1700s would be all that relevant to today's world. True you can have your basic rights but many things are not pertinant now. I for one do not believe our forefathers really meant that every Tom, **CENSORED**, and Mary should be toting a gun around. When this was writen there were no automatic AK47s or 9mms. A militia is entirely different than a lot of the population carrying guns like it's the freaking OK corral. But the gun happy part of the population waves this amendment like it was carved in stone by the Lord on high. Perhaps we should say the Constitution should be updated.
You are correct about allowing differing viewpoints to be heard, no matter how radical they may be, and here is how mine differs from yours, radically.

The Constitution was in part radical for the times, however, many of the founding principles were a compilation of ideas from as far back as the Roman Empire, ideas based upon their own Constitution. Now, those must have really been outdated, wouldn't you agree. You know, principles like those of the powers of government being based upon three branches that were balanced yet divided. Or, how about this outdated principle of due process, which itself dates back to common law based upon the Magne Carta that was written in 1215. How could John Locke think such ideas from over 500 years prior could have any relevance to the 1770's.

The relevance of the Preamble alone surely is outdated. The idea of trying to form a "more perfect" union is apalling. Imagine a document that not only states that it is not perfect and provides later in that same document a method that can allow for the ability to continue to make the union "more perfect", totally outdate to these times. These times that everything needs to be "fundamentally remade".

As far as the Second Amendment is concerned, show me where the State's Militias are these days and I'll show you a "National" Guard. It's not that the Constitution is not relevant, it is that the Federal and State governments have rendered it irrelevant. The OK Corral does not exist, what does exist is a general population that is extremely restricted in its ability to carry firearms. The responsibilities placed upon those individuals who choose to carry are many and place almost all of the liabilty in their hands. I see the Second Amendment as mere a tool that allows for a level playing field with those individuals that would carry firearms in a purelly criminal manner. And if those very same criminals have at their disposal semi-automatic firearms then it is only fair for the law abiding citizens to be equally armed. If you want to do something about guns, start with and limit it to those with criminal intentions.

Why should an instrument with the ability to adapt over time in a rational and logical manner based on time proven principles, the rule of laws (which Liberals say they believe in but merely give lipservice to) and the consent of the majority of those governed,  the Constitution, be concidered outdated. What is becoming outdated to me are the citizens that understand this.  

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#3 : August 03, 2009, 09:41:35 AM

TURDO is a racist.  His postings are dripping with bigotry toward minorities and homosexuals.  He is who he is, and I'm going to call a spade a spade.

Real tough guy, you make me laugh...

When you look for it, anyone can be a racist.   I have nothing against minorities, and if you can find a post where your theory is proven, I will applaud you.

Homosexuals, well, that is another debate, but I can tell you this, I am against homo marraige, but if they want civil unions, have at it... Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN, sorry for being such a blundering traditionalist.

I dislike Obama and his wife (who is butt ugly btw), but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin.  She would be ugly if she were white too.  If Obama was a white man with the name Hussein, it would still bother me.  I have always found it odd that America would nominate a president with that name in these times...  Does that make me a racist?  To you it does, to me, that name makes me uncomfortable, but I'm willing to admit it, and if others were honest on this forum, it would bother them too.  I'm not expecting anyone to come forward and say the same, so if you think that is my intention, you are wrong.

So Mr. Tough Guy MoJo, continue with your attempt at painting me a racist, but I have nothing against the color of a man's skin, only his actions, and to this point, he has done nothing to change my views based on his actions before, during and after the election.  I couldn't stand Bush either, but that was a non-issue to you because his skin was white.  Guys like you are always looking to play the race card, even and especially where it has no business.

Tough guy?  What are you, a wrestler from the 1980's?  LOL.  How's that mullett workin out for you?  Still desperately waiting for it to come back in style?


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#4 : July 30, 2009, 01:34:13 PM

Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America 's true living legends- an
acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated
speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the
foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does
business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as
"partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and
Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years,
made corporate history.

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of
the others, you truly scare me. You scare me because after months of
exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy
League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible
signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing
up in  America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't
understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with
radical extremists who hate  America and you refuse to publicly denounce
these radicals who wish to see  America fail.


You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame  America ' crowd
and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change  America to a European style country
where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector. You
scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a
government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on
our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the
world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against
certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you
on your wild and irresponsible spending
proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing
points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and
omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs,
Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of
view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not
feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

TRUE - CHECK:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp


This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big
surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits.


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#5 : July 30, 2009, 01:47:23 PM


Turbo has finally wised up and checked out Snopes before posting something. It took him a few bogus letters (and other posters pointing them out with Snopes links) to learn. But at least he's learning. Congratulations. Two gold stars for Turbo.

Preemptive Snopes links? Priceless.

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#6 : July 30, 2009, 01:50:09 PM

actually, the snopes link was attached to the email, I made no special effort for the likes of you...



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#7 : July 30, 2009, 01:51:12 PM


Wheere have you been lately? Suspended once again? How many times is that now? LOL.

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#8 : July 30, 2009, 01:54:14 PM

let me translate the letter...

Dear President Obama:

You scare me because you're black.

Lou Pritchett

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#9 : July 30, 2009, 02:00:00 PM

if that is the translation you got from that, you need to seek help.

race had nothing to do with that letter, and is not mentioned one single time, but of course, when you question a black man in this country, there is always someone willing to cry racism...



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#10 : July 30, 2009, 02:09:27 PM

if that is the translation you got from that, you need to seek help.

race had nothing to do with that letter, and is not mentioned one single time, but of course, when you question a black man in this country, there is always someone willing to cry racism...

Based on other threads, I believe he was being sarcastic ....

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#11 : July 30, 2009, 02:56:38 PM

actually, the snopes link was attached to the email, I made no special effort for the likes of you...




Oh boy another unhappy person googling to bash Obama
And guess who ole cheesehead himself ::)


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#12 : July 30, 2009, 03:12:08 PM

let me translate the letter...

Dear President Obama:

You scare me because you're black.

Lou Pritchett

Your sigpic would indicate better should come from your post.

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#13 : July 30, 2009, 03:20:39 PM

After a while all of these threads begin to blend in.  I think we all understand - by now - those on the left, those on the right, and those in the middle.  Do we need yet more threads and posts to clarify?

Whatever happened to the Simms is a wuss or Big dog is a communist threads?  Sigh, I miss them with all of this drivel.

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#14 : July 30, 2009, 04:04:24 PM

Ran - you need to go to the red for those topics.

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