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#60 : August 01, 2009, 12:10:47 PM

"He" can't turn the Country around by himself.  And "He" can't ruin the Country by himself.  "HE" has his own ideas - and direction.  Many - including me - have great and valid I believe - reservations about the actions "He" and his Czars, and the Congress is proceeding - with the biggest deal being the verified increase in the National debt - which if "They" get their way will put the nation in a weakened position for potentially generations. 

It is deficit spending that ruined Bush and the Republicans - duplicating that performance will lead to the same conclusion for BHO and the Democrats.  "It's the economy stupid" rings true from year to year.  Risking the economy with overspending for whatever purpose it the wrong path - for Democrats and BHO, and for Republicans and Bush, and for whomever is Next.

This isn't racist for most if not all - it is a valid concern for all. 

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#61 : August 01, 2009, 01:46:20 PM

Has mrtks ever had a rationale argument? Or ever posted what Obama has done so well so far or any information at all?
I kinda think the same about posters here. They dredge for articles to post and go on and on about how god awful everything is and how our president is surely taking us down the wrong path. I do not agree with Phist that we are on a 'tragic' path at all. Don't know why you're so sure we are but I find all the sky is falling doom and gloom exceedingly annoying. I see a prez that is doing his best, trying to help the people who need it, and trying to clean up the mess left behind by the worst president in the history of our country. And the idiots that go around yapping about his middle name, his supposed religion, and his middle name don't want this country to be better. They want to be able to say, "See, we told you he couldn't do it." And there are more than a few that are simly racists. Including those who refer to him by only his middle name in an effort to mislead people as to his place of birth, loyalties, and religion. All of this really can't be countered with articles and facts. And I have never heard him once say "Hey, socialism is the way to go." I believe he can turn this country around but it will take awhile and won't be easy.

There you go. Was it that hard? A clear lucid expression of your opinion. I'm surprised and impressed. I may disagree with some of your points, but if you continue to make them in such a fashion, I have to respect them.


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#62 : August 03, 2009, 09:30:02 AM

It was an example of why the Constitution is out of date.

No it wasn't.


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#63 : August 02, 2009, 09:39:52 PM

There is no award for length of post - especially if one has little to say - could have stopped right after World War

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#64 : August 02, 2009, 09:54:34 PM

There is no award for length of post - especially if one has little to say - could have stopped right after World War

Come on, db, we put up with WT's novels ...

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#65 : August 02, 2009, 10:13:04 PM

my slant is apparent because it is obvious. �there's no hidden agenda on my end. �i believe in specific measures that would be wildly unpopular to many, but would be IMO in the best interests of our country. �the whole military is a volunteer organization. �they know the drill in terms of protecting us against opposing forces both foreign and domestic. �you can discount that and add your slant which appears to be a borderless world with regularly updated rules of law depending on the era and that time is the moral compass. �

i call that hyperbole and worst of all, there is no plan intertwined in the rhetoric. �it's utopia, but it's irrelevant. �but, if your answer to the world's ills is to wish in one hand and crap in the other - see which fills up first. �we don't have the luxury of dealing in theory or on a chalkboard... as you say - time marches on. �we have what we've built, so short of your population massacre, we kinda have to work within the framework of that which our forefathers gave us. �as inconvenient as that may be - it has a good track record vs. the entirety of known history. �watching efforts to multiply California by 50 surely doesn't seem like a good starting point to most.

our soldiers, in your opinion, are dying for reasons outside of the protection of our country, but the president's hometown is enjoying what he left in his wake with one headline after the other - been a great year back in the old neighborhood. �i'm a little more ol' fashioned. �i think the best and the bravest we have to offer and who volunteer for the right to wear the uniform do so with honor, believe in their mission, and by and large are better people for the experience. �we don't retain a military because the food is so good...

so specifically, without another New World Order theory, how do we get to your utopia? �let's assume we don't get that small meteor you're after. �i would argue that you're wasting a pretty good mind on things that will never come to pass. �this doesn't elevate you personally or professionally, so it is either a hobby or your slant is as bad/polar as mine...

I do say (partially in jest) that the easy way would be a disaster/rebuild approach.  However, barring that, we could achieve the same result via World War.  And we're already headed in the right direction.  A failed WW3 that leaves the super powers crippled and economically bankrupt would essentially force a one world governing body to A) feed the masses and B) insure against such recklessness in the future.  It really isn't that far fetched.  All we need is a little push...

Once nations are united under one banner there is no need for independent armies, just national guards. The world government would retain all of the military might and essentially use to  keep peace between the nation states.  And, yes, an evolving Constitution is quite feasible.  Just as we vote on amendments today, the people of the world would vote on ratifications based on current popular opinion.  Because, really, what else matters?  It's all a bunch of spin and rhetoric, why not give people the "freedom" to shape their own world?  The Gvnt's stance would merely to keep the people from the mob mentality, and insure a certain hard and fast set of basic human rights. 

As for our soldiers---the majority of them fully believe that they're doing their duty out of a sense of honor/pride.  Of course, it's because we brainwash them to believe so. And brave?  Not nearly as much as you'd like to believe.  They're scared ****less overthere, fighting just to stay alive, running off the basic human trait of fight or flight.  I've talked to many a soldier who has returned from Iraq and is flat  out disgusted by what we're doing over there.  For example, many of our laypeople are unaware that the "surge" only appeared to work because behind the scenes we began bribing the locals not to fight us/each other.  As long as they're on the payroll, it gives the illusion of de-escalated violence.  Which means, we're now in bed with the enemy, in somewhat of a conspiracy, just to fool the American People into believing that their children haven't/aren't dying in vain.  As soon as we pull out troops and stop the payouts, the nation of Iraq will crumble into civil war and the people will suffer even worse than they did under Saddam.  When Barack Obama promised to pull out the troops in his campaign speeches, he had no idea just how impossible that has become.  Whichever President actually pulls the trigger on the withdraw orders will be the one blamed forever for the military failure initially set in motion by the Bush Administration.  It's a no-win situation for any President, and a clear example of why you don't let individual nations have this much power.


My "slant" is far beyond the meaningless politics of this crude nation.  Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative...it's all a bunch of crap.  It's all just rhetoric and spin designed to fool people into voting them into power.  Nearly everything we're taught to believe in this country about politics, history or religion is just part of a the  power grab of greedy, dangerous men.  Can people be trusted to follow a "moral compass".  Of course they can, to a point.  See, natural selection has equipped humanity with a basic set of universal "morals" intended to insure the survival of the human race.  Certain violations are universal in every nation, every tribe on earth.  This shall be the beginnings of a true constitution.  Violate not these rules, and otherwise, live how you please.


Economy of scale does not work for most things.  The bigger the government, the fewer hands at the top will control it. Do you really want to risk everything on one government  to get it right? It has been proven that it is easier to screw things up then it is to get it right.

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#66 : August 02, 2009, 10:15:08 PM

The Constitution is an outdated piece of paper that has little bearing on actual life in a modern society.  Countries that cling to ancient, pre-industralized traditions never move ahead.


Signed,

Julius Caesar
Josef Stalin
Mao Tse Tung
Fidel Castro
Saddam Hussein
Benito Mussolini
Idi Amin
Pol Pot
and the guy that burned down the Richtstag

Eh.  As humor goes, that's lukewarm at best, but nice effort.  See, this is where most people misunderstand me.  I'm not for having NO constitution/bill of rights.  I just think the one we CLAIM to care about is outdated, and it's time to draw up a new one based on the needs and challenges of modern society.  Time for a new Bill of Rights.  In fact, we should probably draft a new one ever couple hundred years.  Assuming this nation actually lasts that long. Our current constitution has been ignored, circumvented or altered for years now. It's like a patchwork blankie that has seen it's best days come and go...

Draw up a new one?  I can only imagine what a new constitution might read, considering those that might be selected to do this writing...........Maybe we could redesign the American Flag as well.......Better yet, perhaps we should have you extradited from Texas and relocated in a country that more suits your radical philosphy.

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#67 : August 03, 2009, 03:13:01 AM

Well, you see, that's the thing. In this country we are allowed to have radical beliefs different from yours. The Constitution was pretty radical in it's time and it's rather naive to think that something that was written in the 1700s would be all that relevant to today's world. True you can have your basic rights but many things are not pertinant now. I for one do not believe our forefathers really meant that every Tom, **CENSORED**, and Mary should be toting a gun around. When this was writen there were no automatic AK47s or 9mms. A militia is entirely different than a lot of the population carrying guns like it's the freaking OK corral. But the gun happy part of the population waves this amendment like it was carved in stone by the Lord on high. Perhaps we should say the Constitution should be updated.


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#68 : August 03, 2009, 04:31:25 AM

Well, you see, that's the thing. In this country we are allowed to have radical beliefs different from yours. The Constitution was pretty radical in it's time and it's rather naive to think that something that was written in the 1700s would be all that relevant to today's world. True you can have your basic rights but many things are not pertinant now. I for one do not believe our forefathers really meant that every Tom, **CENSORED**, and Mary should be toting a gun around. When this was writen there were no automatic AK47s or 9mms. A militia is entirely different than a lot of the population carrying guns like it's the freaking OK corral. But the gun happy part of the population waves this amendment like it was carved in stone by the Lord on high. Perhaps we should say the Constitution should be updated.

Does your post mean you don't belong to the NRA?...........LMAO.......Good luck with that philosphy........You and I will  have been dead for centuries before law-abiding Americans give up their right to gun ownership. You should arm yourself before some wacko finds you attractive and forces his attention your way.........

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#69 : August 03, 2009, 08:12:51 AM

It was an example of why the Constitution is out of date.


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#70 : August 03, 2009, 10:51:47 AM

TURDO is a racist. His postings are dripping with bigotry toward minorities and homosexuals. He is who he is, and I'm going to call a spade a spade.

Real tough guy, you make me laugh...

When you look for it, anyone can be a racist. I have nothing against minorities, and if you can find a post where your theory is proven, I will applaud you.

Homosexuals, well, that is another debate, but I can tell you this, I am against homo marraige, but if they want civil unions, have at it... Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN, sorry for being such a blundering traditionalist.

I dislike Obama and his wife (who is butt ugly btw), but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. She would be ugly if she were white too. If Obama was a white man with the name Hussein, it would still bother me. I have always found it odd that America would nominate a president with that name in these times... Does that make me a racist? To you it does, to me, that name makes me uncomfortable, but I'm willing to admit it, and if others were honest on this forum, it would bother them too. I'm not expecting anyone to come forward and say the same, so if you think that is my intention, you are wrong.

So Mr. Tough Guy MoJo, continue with your attempt at painting me a racist, but I have nothing against the color of a man's skin, only his actions, and to this point, he has done nothing to change my views based on his actions before, during and after the election. I couldn't stand Bush either, but that was a non-issue to you because his skin was white. Guys like you are always looking to play the race card, even and especially where it has no business.

Tough guy? What are you, a wrestler from the 1980's? LOL. How's that mullett workin out for you? Still desperately waiting for it to come back in style?

smart alec comeback with no substance, as I expected...


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#71 : August 03, 2009, 11:59:28 AM

TURDO is a racist. His postings are dripping with bigotry toward minorities and homosexuals. He is who he is, and I'm going to call a spade a spade.

Real tough guy, you make me laugh...

When you look for it, anyone can be a racist. I have nothing against minorities, and if you can find a post where your theory is proven, I will applaud you.

Homosexuals, well, that is another debate, but I can tell you this, I am against homo marraige, but if they want civil unions, have at it... Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN, sorry for being such a blundering traditionalist.

I dislike Obama and his wife (who is butt ugly btw), but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. She would be ugly if she were white too. If Obama was a white man with the name Hussein, it would still bother me. I have always found it odd that America would nominate a president with that name in these times... Does that make me a racist? To you it does, to me, that name makes me uncomfortable, but I'm willing to admit it, and if others were honest on this forum, it would bother them too. I'm not expecting anyone to come forward and say the same, so if you think that is my intention, you are wrong.

So Mr. Tough Guy MoJo, continue with your attempt at painting me a racist, but I have nothing against the color of a man's skin, only his actions, and to this point, he has done nothing to change my views based on his actions before, during and after the election. I couldn't stand Bush either, but that was a non-issue to you because his skin was white. Guys like you are always looking to play the race card, even and especially where it has no business.

Tough guy? What are you, a wrestler from the 1980's? LOL. How's that mullett workin out for you? Still desperately waiting for it to come back in style?

smart alec comeback with no substance, as I expected...

Again, I have to laugh.  Your reply can only mean that you actually thought that what you posted had "substance".  I guess you really don't have to be that bright to teach public school.  Either that, or maybe you can serve as an example of why our public education system trails much of the world...


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#72 : August 03, 2009, 01:03:23 PM

TURDO is a racist. His postings are dripping with bigotry toward minorities and homosexuals. He is who he is, and I'm going to call a spade a spade.

Real tough guy, you make me laugh...

When you look for it, anyone can be a racist. I have nothing against minorities, and if you can find a post where your theory is proven, I will applaud you.

Homosexuals, well, that is another debate, but I can tell you this, I am against homo marraige, but if they want civil unions, have at it... Marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN, sorry for being such a blundering traditionalist.

I dislike Obama and his wife (who is butt ugly btw), but that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. She would be ugly if she were white too. If Obama was a white man with the name Hussein, it would still bother me. I have always found it odd that America would nominate a president with that name in these times... Does that make me a racist? To you it does, to me, that name makes me uncomfortable, but I'm willing to admit it, and if others were honest on this forum, it would bother them too. I'm not expecting anyone to come forward and say the same, so if you think that is my intention, you are wrong.

So Mr. Tough Guy MoJo, continue with your attempt at painting me a racist, but I have nothing against the color of a man's skin, only his actions, and to this point, he has done nothing to change my views based on his actions before, during and after the election. I couldn't stand Bush either, but that was a non-issue to you because his skin was white. Guys like you are always looking to play the race card, even and especially where it has no business.

Tough guy? What are you, a wrestler from the 1980's? LOL. How's that mullett workin out for you? Still desperately waiting for it to come back in style?

smart alec comeback with no substance, as I expected...

Again, I have to laugh. Your reply can only mean that you actually thought that what you posted had "substance". I guess you really don't have to be that bright to teach public school. Either that, or maybe you can serve as an example of why our public education system trails much of the world...

more rips and cuts, as I expected...


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#73 : August 03, 2009, 11:36:34 PM

Phist--
           The reason there is no yelling about deaths in Afghanistan, altho tragic, that is where we should have been all along. No one really contested that, it was the war in Iraq that was the problen. The people who planned 9/11 were there not in Iraq and that was used as an excuse to go into Iraq where we never belonged. Meanwhile bin Ladin has been somewhere besides Iraq all this time and we are finally going after him.


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#74 : August 04, 2009, 08:00:56 AM

mrkts - to that i say - i disagree with your position, but appreciate your opinion.  well done!
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