I hope you Gruden-haters are happy...

[Booker]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

[escobar]

The year Jacksonville went 12-4 Leftwich missed the last five games of the season, in those games his team went 4-1. One of many examples I'm sure that show a QB's record doesn't always tell the whole story. Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning QB ya know.

Are we really questioning whether or not Leftwich was a bust for Jacksonville?

seems to me many would rather lose games with cutler than win games with leftwich. �leftwich isnt pretty, but he wins more than he loses.

I'm assuming you meant McCown? And I'm sorry but Leftwich is going into his seventh season and this is already his 4th team, I'd say it's pretty clear what the league thinks about BL and his ability to win games.

[RaheemTheNightmare]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

is telling your players that you're leaving after the season bad coaching? If so, I agree.

[Booker]

What is the better option? Mccown who can't seem to beat anyone out for a job? The same guy who has no pocket awareness and can't read a presnap defense?

[GameTime]

I'm assuming you meant McCown? And I'm sorry but Leftwich is going into his seventh season and this is already his 4th team, I'd say it's pretty clear what the league thinks about BL and his ability to win games.

no, i mean jay cutler.  as in a QB with a losing record.  versus leftwich, a QB with a winning record.

and yes, i do know its a team sport.

[dalbuc]

I'd take Gruden starting Josh Johnson (which was apparently the plan) over this massive train wreck.

Seriously, the guy that was never better than Luke last year? The guy who hasn't managed to crawl his way up the depth chart over a cast of mega-spares?

I think you'd have a tough time selling me that Josh was "the plan" and would have remained the plan once Gruden went shopping for old and busted in the off-season. Plus, none of the reports on Josh seemed to be all that positive last year.

I though the Luke fantasies were impressive but the Josh are just too much.

[dalbuc]

is telling your players that you're leaving after the season bad coaching? If so, I agree.

Once more, if Kiffin leaving shook this team to the core then this team wasn't Gruden's anyway.

[RaheemTheNightmare]

Cutler is 13-3 when he defense keeps opposing offenses to 21 points or less. You have no leg to stand on. Sandwich can't hold his jock.

[escobar]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

Our defense gave up 38, 13, 41, 31 points the final four games last season. EVERYONE knows that Gruden focused on offense and Kiffin controlled the defense. Bad coaching is right, you're just picking the wrong coach. On offense we scored 23,10,24,24 points during those four games. Not earth shattering, but usually plenty for us to win.

[dbucfan]

So the HEAD COACH gets no blame?

He should have fired him the first time Monte took the week off to recruit staff and players for UT.  

[RaheemTheNightmare]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

Our defense gave up 38, 13, 41, 31 points the final four games last season. EVERYONE knows that Gruden focused on offense and Kiffin controlled the defense. Bad coaching is right, you're just picking the wrong coach. On offense we scored 23,10,24,24 points during those four games. Not earth shattering, but usually plenty for us to win.

[escobar]

I'm assuming you meant McCown? And I'm sorry but Leftwich is going into his seventh season and this is already his 4th team, I'd say it's pretty clear what the league thinks about BL and his ability to win games.

no, i mean jay cutler. �as in a QB with a losing record. �versus leftwich, a QB with a winning record.

and yes, i do know its a team sport.

Cool, then you should know that Leftwich's record isn't indicative of his actual talent level. While at the same time Cutler's record isn't indicative of his. I sincerely hope you wouldn't take BL over Cutler.

[Booker]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

Our defense gave up 38, 13, 41, 31 points the final four games last season. EVERYONE knows that Gruden focused on offense and Kiffin controlled the defense. Bad coaching is right, you're just picking the wrong coach. On offense we scored 23,10,24,24 points during those four games. Not earth shattering, but usually plenty for us to win.

What about games against Denver and Dallas where we put up 13 and 9? And even the great big ten against ATL where our D and ST put us in every position to win?

[RaheemTheNightmare]

we're talking about the collapse.

[dbucfan]

Or bad coaching leads to late season collapse.

Our defense gave up 38, 13, 41, 31 points the final four games last season. EVERYONE knows that Gruden focused on offense and Kiffin controlled the defense. Bad coaching is right, you're just picking the wrong coach. On offense we scored 23,10,24,24 points during those four games. Not earth shattering, but usually plenty for us to win.

What about games against Denver and Dallas where we put up 13 and 9? And even the great big ten against ATL where our D and ST put us in every position to win?

Exactly Booker - exactly - if Monte had done his job in December the buccs would have been in the playoffs - rightly or wrongly -