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#165 : October 09, 2009, 09:32:07 PM

I miss Kiffin.

Him I miss but Gruden can go suck an egg.


Especially since it was Kiffin's D that crapped the bed in December. The D only averaged allowing 33.2 points a game last December. Not too shabby. ::)

Ya Gruden's offense never had success so it cannot really crap the bed.


It was an unfortunate December for Kiffin. If I remember correctly, the Bucs' defensive starters were banged up and it was announced that Kiffin would be leaving the Bucs. But let's take a look at Kiffin's body of work during the Gruden years, in terms of scoring against. Not a bad run, I would say.

Defense:
2008--10th
2007--3rd
2006--21st
2005--8th
2004--9th
2003--4th
2002--1st

Now let's look at  Gruden's work during the same years, again, in terms of scoring:

Offense:
2008  19th
2007  18th
2006  31st
2005  20th
2004  23th
2003  18th
2002  18th

Truth is, the offensive genius never had a year in which his offense was in the top half of the league. Kiffin's D was out of the top 10 only once.

December, 2008 is memorable only because it showed that without Kiffin's D carrying the team, the Bucs had little chance of winning games.

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#166 : October 09, 2009, 09:37:48 PM

I miss Kiffin.

Him I miss but Gruden can go suck an egg.


Especially since it was Kiffin's D that crapped the bed in December. The D only averaged allowing 33.2 points a game last December. Not too shabby. ::)

Ya Gruden's offense never had success so it cannot really crap the bed.


It was an unfortunate December for Kiffin. If I remember correctly, the Bucs' defensive starters were banged up and it was announced that Kiffin would be leaving the Bucs. But let's take a look at Kiffin's body of work during the Gruden years, in terms of scoring against. Not a bad run, I would say.

Defense:
2008--10th
2007--3rd
2006--21st
2005--8th
2004--9th
2003--4th
2002--1st

Now let's look at  Gruden's work during the same years, again, in terms of scoring:

Offense:
2008  19th
2007  18th
2006  31st
2005  20th
2004  23th
2003  18th
2002  18th

Truth is, the offensive genius never had a year in which his offense was in the top half of the league. Kiffin's D was out of the top 10 only once.

December, 2008 is memorable only because it showed that without Kiffin's D carrying the team, the Bucs had little chance of winning games.
IN all due respect Kiffin and Tony Dungy were two defensive minds who built this defense that you have the stats on...Gruden had himself and only himself to get this Franchise in Offensive shape...I can't believe you guys are just dissecting off of stats...There is more to the intimate details of any situation than the statistics...OBD


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#167 : October 09, 2009, 09:57:43 PM

Read the post again Braden....I stated the D puked in DECEMBER.  I stated that if they'd played in DEC like the other months, the Bucs would have won at least 11 games.

When you get jammed by the lowly Raiders in your own crib like the Bucs did, that's on the freaking defense.  But you can go on believing otherwise....that's your right to opinion.  But the December numbers don't lie any more than any of the others.  My point is that Kiffin and his defense should share equally in the blame for the collapse.  What's so hard to see about it?

Gruden is to blame for the puke in Dallas, in Denver and in Atlanta in December.....


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#168 : October 09, 2009, 09:59:09 PM

I miss Kiffin.

Him I miss but Gruden can go suck an egg.


Especially since it was Kiffin's D that crapped the bed in December. The D only averaged allowing 33.2 points a game last December. Not too shabby. ::)

Ya Gruden's offense never had success so it cannot really crap the bed.


It was an unfortunate December for Kiffin. If I remember correctly, the Bucs' defensive starters were banged up and it was announced that Kiffin would be leaving the Bucs. But let's take a look at Kiffin's body of work during the Gruden years, in terms of scoring against. Not a bad run, I would say.

Defense:
2008--10th
2007--3rd
2006--21st
2005--8th
2004--9th
2003--4th
2002--1st

Now let's look at  Gruden's work during the same years, again, in terms of scoring:

Offense:
2008  19th
2007  18th
2006  31st
2005  20th
2004  23th
2003  18th
2002  18th

Truth is, the offensive genius never had a year in which his offense was in the top half of the league. Kiffin's D was out of the top 10 only once.

December, 2008 is memorable only because it showed that without Kiffin's D carrying the team, the Bucs had little chance of winning games.
IN all due respect Kiffin and Tony Dungy were two defensive minds who built this defense that you have the stats on...Gruden had himself and only himself to get this Franchise in Offensive shape...I can't believe you guys are just dissecting off of stats...There is more to the intimate details of any situation than the statistics...OBD

Nobody dissects just off of stats--we all watch games. Stats back up what is seen on the field.

I must ask you, what intimate details of the Buc's offense over the course of the past seven years shine brightly on Gruden. Truth be told--to me the Bucs were a dink-n-dunk offense who won because of their defense--this is what we had after seven years of Gruden's work on the offense.

Problem is, we're back to the dink-n-dunk with Johnson, but we have no defense.

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#169 : October 09, 2009, 10:18:56 PM

I miss Kiffin.

Him I miss but Gruden can go suck an egg.


Especially since it was Kiffin's D that crapped the bed in December. The D only averaged allowing 33.2 points a game last December. Not too shabby. ::)

Ya Gruden's offense never had success so it cannot really crap the bed.


It was an unfortunate December for Kiffin. If I remember correctly, the Bucs' defensive starters were banged up and it was announced that Kiffin would be leaving the Bucs. But let's take a look at Kiffin's body of work during the Gruden years, in terms of scoring against. Not a bad run, I would say.

Defense:
2008--10th
2007--3rd
2006--21st
2005--8th
2004--9th
2003--4th
2002--1st

Now let's look at  Gruden's work during the same years, again, in terms of scoring:

Offense:
2008  19th
2007  18th
2006  31st
2005  20th
2004  23th
2003  18th
2002  18th

Truth is, the offensive genius never had a year in which his offense was in the top half of the league. Kiffin's D was out of the top 10 only once.

December, 2008 is memorable only because it showed that without Kiffin's D carrying the team, the Bucs had little chance of winning games.
IN all due respect Kiffin and Tony Dungy were two defensive minds who built this defense that you have the stats on...Gruden had himself and only himself to get this Franchise in Offensive shape...I can't believe you guys are just dissecting off of stats...There is more to the intimate details of any situation than the statistics...OBD

Nobody dissects just off of stats--we all watch games. Stats back up what is seen on the field.

I must ask you, what intimate details of the Buc's offense over the course of the past seven years shine brightly on Gruden. Truth be told--to me the Bucs were a dink-n-dunk offense who won because of their defense--this is what we had after seven years of Gruden's work on the offense.

Problem is, we're back to the dink-n-dunk with Johnson, but we have no defense.

bingo


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#170 : October 09, 2009, 11:15:40 PM

Problem is, we're back to the dink-n-dunk with Johnson, but we have no defense.

Isn't defense Raheem Morris' area of expertise?

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#171 : October 09, 2009, 11:50:53 PM

Problem is, we're back to the dink-n-dunk with Johnson, but we have no defense.

Isn't defense Raheem Morris' area of expertise?

I believe he is at least an adequate defensive backfield coach at the NFL level. He has proven nothing else.

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#172 : October 10, 2009, 12:10:07 PM

Some of you need help.

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#173 : October 10, 2009, 12:38:53 PM

Some of you need help.

Especially this one...


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#174 : October 10, 2009, 01:05:49 PM

Haha

I wasn't talking about you, btw.

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#175 : October 10, 2009, 01:26:34 PM

Some of you need help.

Especially this one...




Who snapped this shot, it looks like it came from somebody's personal cell phone or digital camera?

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