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#15 : October 14, 2009, 11:25:21 AM

It truley is moronic. I do not understand why Raheem lets this continue. Kinda makes you wonder what kind of control the guy really has...maybe he is easily influenced.


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#16 : October 14, 2009, 11:33:16 AM

Raheem has no choice but to ride it out given the circumstances and mistake he made with Jags' (assuming it was a mistake).  The silver lining in this is that Logan would incorporate Jags' philosophy, and has play calling experience.


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#17 : October 14, 2009, 11:38:55 AM

Yes you are correct there was on our first scoring drive. Other than that it was not anything along those lines. A team cannot abandon the run game because they hit us behind the line a couple of times, this is the NFL, people are going to get tackled for a loss. We did not have a heavy dose of run against Washington. Blitzing is no reason to abandon the run.

So let me get this straight. There are 8 and sometimes 9 defenders standing in the box and your plan is to run the ball??

If the much hyped o-line that the previous regime left behind can't generate enough push against eight defenders than they might as well have to rebuild it in the off season.


ADW,
I've read your posts for a number of years and respect what you say, but have to disagree with you here.....trying to run against that many defenders never works......or it works about 1 in 10 times

I don't care how good your O Line is, you can't match their numbers. There is always going to be a free defender. Until you make them pay with your passing game and make them take those extra defenders out of the box you aren't going to be very successful running the ball.


JJ showed more than enough by attacking down field, so it wasn't a Gradkowski situation.

Here are the pass attempts by the QB's in the last five games under Olson's direction:

Game 1: 41
Game 2: 50
Game 3: 26
Game 4: 22
Game 5: 50

Of those five contests the Bucs were close in four of them, but no commitment to the running game as in all those contests the pass attempts outnumber the run attempts. The running game was performing at its peak week 1, but Olson refused to stick with it. Earlier in the week before leading to the Eagles game Olson would feature Carnell and be committed to the running game. So much for that plan and in fact when the Bucs defense forced the Eagles to punt in the third quarter when down by two touchdowns Olson dialed up three consecutive passing plays. That is bad play calling anyway you slice it, and not what this team is trying to do long term. And if this o-line needs Faine to just be NFL average than they need to be replaced because they are way overhyped, and the previous regime left this team with a bunch of lemons.


I won't disagree that he has abandoned the run too early too often this year, but Sunday I don't see where there was any place to run. The Eagles flooded every lane and said that they were going to make JJ beat them. I think he was doing his part....for the biggest portion of the day, but his WRs let him down. If.....and that is a BIG IF....they had caught even half of the dropped passes, that defense would have loosened up and committed more to stopping the passing game. I wish they could run the ball every down and just punish the defense, but when the defense overloads and dare you to beat them with the pass, there isn't a high percentage of success in the run game.

you cannot turn one dimensional, stick to the run.
But, one of the mantras of the running game using the ZBS has been that you can't have negative plays and with that many defenders in the box, the liklihood of having negative plays is much greater. As I said, I don't like not running the ball either, but I can't fault them for going to the pass when the odds are stacked against them. Has Olson abandoned the run too early in some games.....yes. Last Sunday was an odd situation and the Eagles forced them to rely on the young QB to beat them. If I'm the Carolina DC, I would be doing the same thing this week.

Olson is counterproductive in my opinion to the direction of this football team which is why I feel Raheem made a mistake turning to him.

Olson has incorporated some of the old man on man blocking which has had some success, but overall more failures. The problem is this team can't stick with one or the other, and it is causing lack of cohesion/confusion with the o-line. I want the o-line to stick with purely the ZBS moving forward, and a commitment to the running game to materialize because that is the long term goal of this new regime for the offensive side of the ball.

Jon Gruden is a superior play caller than Olson and has a better understanding of the offense Olson's is trying to use. People talk of Jags' offense being figured out but where is the evidence? Teams have figured out Olson's offense because he is simply using Jon's which there is over a decade of film on compared to the scarcity of Jags' offense. Jags offense may have been simple but so was Les Steckel's (and it was effective). How is the offense improving under Olson by going back to Jon's complex offense? Jon understood you needed a vet QB to run it, and passing 50 times with a veteran like Griese is not the same as a young second year pro like JJ.




Was not a fan of him being the OC......didn't think he did a good job in St Louis.....so I don't disagree with your thoughts.  I just believe you have to take each game and each situation into account.  I was livid after watching the Dallas game and the same with Washington.  No reason to stop running the ball. 

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1.  Never have an argument with an idiot.  They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
2.  For some it would be better if they remained silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

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#18 : October 14, 2009, 11:49:26 AM

I just believe you have to take each game and each situation into account.  I was livid after watching the Dallas game and the same with Washington.  No reason to stop running the ball. 

Agreed.


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#19 : October 14, 2009, 12:11:29 PM

That may be true watson, but throwing 50 times a game is just moronic.


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#20 : October 14, 2009, 12:20:57 PM

Dear warrenfb12,

The check is already cashed, so I'll do whatever I want. 


Thanks,


Greg Olson, Co Captian of the Tampa Bay Bros Circus.




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#21 : October 14, 2009, 01:04:38 PM

LOL @ running against an 8-man+ blitz.  That's a quick way to 2nd and 12.


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#22 : October 14, 2009, 01:06:29 PM

LOL @ running against an 8-man+ blitz. That's a quick way to 2nd and 12.

Not necessarily.  If you know where the blitzers are coming from,  you can run successfully in the unclogged lanes, with nobody at the second level to defend the ballcarrier.  However, that would take a football mind greater than either Morris or Olson to comprehend...


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#23 : October 14, 2009, 01:14:34 PM

LOL @ running against an 8-man+ blitz. That's a quick way to 2nd and 12.

Not necessarily.  If you know where the blitzers are coming from,  you can run successfully in the unclogged lanes, with nobody at the second level to defend the ballcarrier.  However, that would take a football mind greater than either Morris or Olson to comprehend...

Agreed.


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#24 : October 14, 2009, 01:21:52 PM

Agree that changing Olsen now would be a bad idea.  Let all the changes be improving players and strategy not the staff.




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#25 : October 14, 2009, 01:25:12 PM

Olson is learning on the fly and clearly to this point has been a bit overwhelmed.

I noticed at Philly that Coach Morris was paying a lot more attention to what Olson was doing/calling...  I think that's where a lot of the aggressive playcalling came from during that game...

I hope Coach Olson gets better by learning from his mistakes.   Premiere opportunity this week at home against a struggling Panthers team.

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#26 : October 14, 2009, 02:54:14 PM

Olson is learning on the fly and clearly to this point has been a bit overwhelmed.

I noticed at Philly that Coach Morris was paying a lot more attention to what Olson was doing/calling... I think that's where a lot of the aggressive playcalling came from during that game...

I hope Coach Olson gets better by learning from his mistakes. Premiere opportunity this week at home against a struggling Panthers team.

I could swear I read Morris lips on several occasions where he shouted "press the X button!"


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#27 : October 14, 2009, 02:55:46 PM

Olson/Bates are not new as coordinators, so they should NOT be overwhelmed.  Especially Olson who is familiar with the personnel on this team.

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