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#45 : October 15, 2009, 08:10:29 PM

Wow it only took 5 games for RAW to lose his locker room

Dungy turned things around under equivalent circumstances, but this regime is a joke and will assuredly fail in righting the ship.



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#46 : October 16, 2009, 07:37:02 AM

Dungy's point of concern when he arrived was to bolster the D and build it into a machine.  The current regime needs to do the same.

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#47 : October 16, 2009, 07:57:18 AM

"You don't ever want to have a record like this with this much talent on the team. That's the most frustrating thing about it."



The most telling quote in the entire article. Later on Wilkerson goes on to say he doesn't believe the problem is coaching, but going by this quote I'd say he does. This team has the talent to win a few games, the Glazers did their best to ensure they wouldn't have the coaching.

They don't have that much talent either. This team needs a lot of thing and right now talent and coaching are on the list.

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#48 : October 16, 2009, 08:21:59 AM

The thing that has been consistent since Wyche was fired?  The refusal/stubbornness to hire a quality OC.

And to think the Monte Kiffin-types of DC's come along every day is fool-hearty.

It used to be one side of the ball dominated while the other struggled.  Nowadays, both sides are.....well....just not that good.

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#49 : October 16, 2009, 09:01:24 AM

The thing that has been consistent since Wyche was fired? The refusal/stubbornness to hire a quality OC.

And to think the Monte Kiffin-types of DC's come along every day is fool-hearty.

It used to be one side of the ball dominated while the other struggled. Nowadays, both sides are.....well....just not that good.
And Wyche and Rusty Tillman could evaluate talent.....Lynch, Brooks, Sapp....

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#50 : October 16, 2009, 09:41:05 AM

Well that will make it easier to ship out the players responsible for the collapse from last year which has continued to this year.

Yeah...and don't forget to ship out the biggest problem with them...the head coach.

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#51 : October 16, 2009, 09:49:31 AM

Disagree...Wilkerson was here last year and is playing well.  Babrer has been here for years and is playing reasonably well.  Lefty was not here last year and stunk it up.  Caddy has been here awhile and is playing reasonably well.  Penn was here last year and playing well.  So your comment "The players brought in that were not with the team last year are performing while the leftovers see that their time is ending" is not altogether accurate.

Wilkerson showed up for one game that's like saying Adams or Clayton is playing well. That whole DL is pretty consistently stinking up the joint. 

The only guys right now that are playing well for the year (as opposed to showing up for a game here and there) are K2, Barber and Hayes.  Other than that we've got a raftload of inconsistency from guys who can show up and then vanish (Clayton, Wilkerson, Adams, Talib, Caddy, Ward, Davin).

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#52 : October 16, 2009, 10:30:53 AM

It is fractured along the lines of:

Gruden players vs Raheem players.

The players brought in that were not with the team last year are performing while the leftovers see that their time is ending.



Disagree...Wilkerson was here last year and is playing well.  Babrer has been here for years and is playing reasonably well.  Lefty was not here last year and stunk it up.  Caddy has been here awhile and is playing reasonably well.  Penn was here last year and playing well.  So your comment "The players brought in that were not with the team last year are performing while the leftovers see that their time is ending" is not altogether accurate.

Very accurate given most of the top performers on this years team were not here last year.  That is the truth and it can't be escaped given it didn't take just Clayton going to the owners complaining about Jon but several other players as well.
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