It's official, Gruden's playbook still present

[warrenfb12]

Chucky’s Playbook Still Thriving At One Buc Place
October 21st, 2009

"Olson, I love you, man. But if you go 0-16 with my playbook I'll disown you, brother."
It’s official. Bucs fans can still blame offensive mastermind Jon Gruden for the team’s inability to throw the ball downfield and muster a consistent attack.

Apparently, every copy of Chucky’s overflowing playbook wasn’t burned in the dumpsters behind One Buc Place.

New offensive coordinator Greg Olson has brought back a significant amount of Chucky’s plays, said center Jeff Faine, speaking Wednesday night on the Buccaneers Radio Network.

During the Total Access broadcast, Faine was asked whether it was easier to play with a veteran like Byron Leftwich or rookie Josh Johnson. Faine picked Johnson because the Bucs are running Gruden’s plays.

“We’re kind of using a little bit of Gruden’s offense with Coach Olson, and it’s a little easier actually working with Josh Johnson because he’s very, very familiar with it,� Faine said. “He’s been in it for a year and a half, which is obviously longer than Byron Leftwich has. So I think, in a little way, it’s a little easier working with him, because he knows it.�

Now didn’t the Bucs fire Gruden, hire Jeff Jagodzinski to overhaul the offense, and then laud the former Boston College coach for simplifying the playbook, which under Chucky was known for being overcomplicated?

Then the Bucs fired Jagodzinski and promoted Olson who re-installed Chucky’s plays?

On top of all this madness, Joe is stunned Michael Clayton has yet to blame his woes on Gruden’s plays returning. Surely, this explains all of Clayton’s dropped passes.

www.joebucsfan.com

[escobar]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

[OldBloodandBucs]

... so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

^^This^^

[bucs90]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

Because the offense was thriving before when he was calling them himself. Get a clue.

[Mean D]

What a total trainwreck this is.

[BuccinTex]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

You shouldn't word that like it's a known fact.   It's simply your opinion.....unless you can prove it.   

[BerubesBucs]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

So you're gloating because we wanted Gruden gone because his offense sucked... and now Olson is running the same offense.. and it still sucks.. and you're laughing in the anti-gruden's faces?



I mean.. isn't it kind of proving our point? His offense sucked? He's gone, we're still running his offense... and it still sucks?


Guess that's reason to gloat...

[escobar]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

You shouldn't word that like it's a known fact.   It's simply your opinion.....unless you can prove it.   

Nah, I admit the reason I believe he's gone is my opinion. But I do find it funny that his offense remains. Don't you find that interesting? They fire the guy but allow his offense to remain? Come on, that's just sad. They can't even get firing people right around here.

[escobar]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

So you're gloating because we wanted Gruden gone because his offense sucked... and now Olson is running the same offense.. and it still sucks.. and you're laughing in the anti-gruden's faces?



I mean.. isn't it kind of proving our point? His offense sucked? He's gone, we're still running his offense... and it still sucks?


Guess that's reason to gloat...

There were plays to be made on the field, our problem has been finding a QB, as you know. People claim there were QB's we passed on in the draft that would have made a difference, I don't agree with that.

Anyway, I'm not gloating. I'm just pointing out what others have, you get what you ask for. Our fans asked for it, and they sure did get it.

[alldaway]

Olson is fail.

[BuccinTex]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

So you're gloating because we wanted Gruden gone because his offense sucked... and now Olson is running the same offense.. and it still sucks.. and you're laughing in the anti-gruden's faces?



I mean.. isn't it kind of proving our point? His offense sucked? He's gone, we're still running his offense... and it still sucks?


Guess that's reason to gloat...

It's what this board has become.   A group of posters are actually enjoying watching the Bucs lose because they can blame it all on Raheem Morris and claim they knew it all along...almost like the last four games of 2008 never happened and this team wasn't already in the crapper.     Java has said on more then one occasion that Raheem had ALL of one offseason to fix the problems....completely ignoring the fact that his man crush spent 5 years tearing it apart so it will take more then one offseason to fix a neglected defense and no promising QB to groom.     Tim Brown was right on the money about the fans of this team.  

[warrenfb12]

I have been speculating about this for some time. The last game we had significant offensive success was against the Dallas Cowboys, which was a game where we were going vertical. I had a feeling that Olson was slowly fazing out Jagz playbook, in favor of a perverted version of Gruden's.  IMO, Olson is making an attempt to dissolve the ZBS. Each week we are seeing more man to man blocking.

I have a huge problem with this. First, what is going on at the QB position? Leftwich was brought in to stretch the field, he was benched in favor of Johnson. Was this Olson making a transition to a QB more friendly with his playbook? Or was it really on Leftwich's play? Was Freeman not drafted for his ability to stretch the field, use his powerful arm? If we are transitioning back into a WCO, (god help us all) Freeman is certainley not a great fit. Are they pounding Jags playbook into his head, or the one Olson has developed? Where is the consistency for this young QB?

Second, where has the plan gone? Initially, Raheem stated he wanted to be a vertical passing team, utilizing a strong run game and PA pass; this plan was executed against Dallas and had success. How committed is Raheem to what he is saying? How committed is Raheem to sticking with the schemes and systems in place? Does Raheem just keep reverting back to old system? If we were going to run Gruden's offense and Tampa 2 all the time, why fire Gruden? Don't get me wrong, I still think the firing of Gruden was the right move. His WCO made me sick, week in and week out.  Why bring in a rookie coach, run the same systems and insert QBs fit to the mold of last years offense?  I am really beginning to wonder what Raheem is doing down here. Why is Olson allowed to keep calling these moronic plays and run an offense which is the exact opposite of what the plan was to be. IMO, something stinks down at OBP.

[olafberserker]

    Tim Brown was right on the money about the fans of this team. 

yeah, like conversations like this don't take place in other cities ... give me a break

[alldaway]

Olson is stunting the growth of this football team.

[BuccinTex]

Doesn't surprise me, Gruden wasn't fired for his results, he was fired because many of our fans thought they knew what was best. The Glazers were just trying to appease them. I do love it though, so many wanted Gruden gone and now they get to watch amateurs attempt to use his plays, priceless.

You shouldn't word that like it's a known fact.   It's simply your opinion.....unless you can prove it.    

Nah, I admit the reason I believe he's gone is my opinion. But I do find it funny that his offense remains. Don't you find that interesting? They fire the guy but allow his offense to remain? Come on, that's just sad. They can't even get firing people right around here.

Find it funny?  No not really.   They hired a fraud for an OC....then had to go with the only option in their eyes...which is crap because Logan should be our OC right now.    I admit these decisions are bad but I don't find it funny or even strange.   I find it pretty logical.   He was a coach under Gruden.   He's said that he will try to plug in his plays each week...I don't know what that means because the plays suck right now.   Running an option?   Buffoonery.   Doesn't change the fact that Gruden's offense is the suck.     Here is Gruden's offense in a nutshell.   Personnel- Find an old QB past his prime that no one wants anymore.    Find a couple slow but tall WRs who have bad hands.    Presnap-motion....motion.....then some more motion.    Snap-have the QB rollout and throw a 3 yard out on 3rd and 7.   Kick a field goal.    Lose the game...unless your defense bails you out.    Post game-blame injuries, praise offense, challenge defense to bail you out more.