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« : February 26, 2007, 08:24:41 PM »

DTG

I hope that is case and I would shed a tear of joy if big, nasty o-lineman are added to the team and the scrub o-lineman that Muir prefers are shipped out.  Joseph, Buenning and True were a start.

It will be interesting to see what the Bucs new project OL Jonathan Clincksdale can do in NFL Europe.





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« #1 : February 26, 2007, 06:52:51 PM »

Running Game
Atlanta (2939 yds, 5.5 YPC)
San Diego (2578 yds, 4.9 YPC)
Jacksonville (2541 yds, 5.0 YPC)
Washington (2216 yds, 4.5 YPC)
Tennessee (2214 yds, 4.7 YPC)
San Francisco (2172 yds, 4.9 YPC)
New York Giants (2156 yds, 4.7 YPC)
Denver (2152 yds, 4.4 YPC)
Kansas City (2143 yds, 4.2 YPC)
Pittsburgh (1992 yds, 4.2 YPC)
Philadelphia (1984 yds, 4.8 YPC)
New England (1969 yds, 3.9 YPC)

top 10 in least sacks allowed:
Indianapolis 15
Baltimore 17
Washington 19
New Orleans 23
Green Bay 24
New York Giants 25
Chicago 25
Philadelphia 28
San Diego 28
New England 29
Tennessee 29

 


now let's look at what these lines are made up of:

Washington:
LT - Chris Samuels (1st round 2000)
LG - Derrick Dockery (3rd round 2003)
C - Casey Rabach (3rd round 2001)
RG - Randy Thomas (2nd round 1999)
RT - Jon Jansen (2nd round 1999)

all first day picks, including 1 first rounder at OT.

San Diego:
LT - Marcus McNeill (2nd round 2006)
LG - Kris Dielman (UDFA)
C - Nick Hardwick (3rd round 2004)
RG - Mike Goff (3rd round 1998)
RT - Shane Olivea (7th round 2004)

3 first day picks. 1 UDFA, 1 7th rounder.

New York Giants:

LT - Luke Petitgout (1st round 1999)
LG - David Diehl (5th round 2003)
C - Shaun O'Hara (UDFA)
RG - Chris Snee (2nd round 2004)
RT - Kareem McKenzie (3rd round 2001)

another first round LT, and another team with at least 3 first day guys on the line

New England:
LT - Matt Light (2nd round 2001)
LG - Logan Mankins (1st round 2005)
C - Dan Koppen (5th round 2003)
RG - Steve Neal (UDFA)
RT - Nick Kaczur (3rd round 2005)

another with 3 first day guys and a first round OG.

let's see somethign though, no LT in this group was drafted past the 2nd round.
UDFA's and 7th rounders only worked for up to 2 spots at most and for the most part the teams always had at least 1 first rounder o nthe OL. so let's look at our OL on the roster:

Trueblood(2nd round)
Joseph(1st Round)
Wade(Day 2 pick I believe)
Buenning(Round 3?)
Walker(Round 1)

Later rounds of oline=success??


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« #2 : February 26, 2007, 06:57:52 PM »

We don't seem to have much success, no matter where we draft them  :P


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« #3 : February 26, 2007, 07:02:27 PM »

LOT are R1 picks, everyone else is somewhere further down the food chain. 

Thing is you look at IND and their line is built out of Tarik Glenn and a lot of later round UDFA types - I think Deim was a day 2 pick but Saturday and Lilja were UDFA types. Using high (1 and 2) picks on non-LOT's isn't a good plan but not getting top-end players with those picks is worse.


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« #4 : February 26, 2007, 07:21:20 PM »

Says alot more about coaching, sad to say...   :(


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« #5 : February 26, 2007, 07:23:17 PM »

Says alot more about coaching, sad to say...   :(

Other than LOT's where you really can't fake the funk, the rest of it is about coaching becuase you get a lot of non-premium type picks turning into useful players.

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« #6 : February 26, 2007, 07:32:02 PM »

LOT are R1 picks, everyone else is somewhere further down the food chain.

Thing is you look at IND and their line is built out of Tarik Glenn and a lot of later round UDFA types - I think Deim was a day 2 pick but Saturday and Lilja were UDFA types. Using high (1 and 2) picks on non-LOT's isn't a good plan but not getting top-end players with those picks is worse.



There again, you have a 33-year NFL OL coach in Howard Mudd. That makes a big difference.

I'm convinced that we don't have the capacity to turn marginal linemen into even servicable players, leaving us no choice but to lean on natural ability when we can at any position along the line, practically forcing us to draft OL higher than a team like Indy..


 





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« #7 : February 26, 2007, 07:57:25 PM »

It's no secret most offensive lines have at least one marginal prospect who plays above his ability. What is unfortunate is the Bucs have already spent three solid-to-premium picks for the three spots the marginal guys usually play at: both guards and right tackle.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #8 : February 26, 2007, 08:11:30 PM »

I'd say it has more to do with Coaching than where the player was drafted. Bill Muir just sucks, really bad.


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« #9 : February 26, 2007, 08:15:12 PM »

So if they had no problem getting rid of defensive coaches why is Muir still here?  People spoke of Dungy being too loyal to some people to his detriment, what about Gruden?  Does Muir have some 'special' pix?



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« #10 : February 26, 2007, 08:16:15 PM »

So if they had no problem getting rid of defensive coaches why is Muir still here? People spoke of Dungy being too loyal to some people to his detriment, what about Gruden? Does Muir have some 'special' pix?
Nope, Kromer is slowly taking over.

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« #11 : February 26, 2007, 08:19:06 PM »

Nope, Kromer is slowly taking over.

Crossing my fingers that this is the case.

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« #12 : February 26, 2007, 08:19:37 PM »

Nope, Kromer is slowly taking over.

Kromer is, indeed, more involved in the direct "hands on" OL coaching. Bill Muir is the Mike Alstott of the coaching staff. Not nearly as effective on the field as he once was, but can still contribute from an intangible perspective.

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« #13 : February 26, 2007, 08:22:55 PM »

I'd say it has more to do with Coaching than where the player was drafted. Bill Muir just sucks, really bad.

I'd agree with that.  He doesn't seem to get much out of them and the discipline needs work.


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« #14 : February 26, 2007, 08:27:21 PM »

DTG

I hope that is case and I would shed a tear of joy if big, nasty o-lineman are added to the team and the scrub o-lineman that Muir prefers are shipped out.  Joseph, Buenning and True were a start.

Those on the outside who have been paying attention likely already notice the shift.
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