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 on: Today at 07:52:26 PM 
Last post by spartan

I have posted that the unreasonable refusal to expect any reasonable restrictive measure may lead to the decision being taken out of gun owner's hands . . .

Do as we say voluntarily, or you will do as we say involuntarily.

Haven't I heard of that one somewhere before?

Spartan, just to close the point precisely, let's use your actual words. Hypothetically speaking, if "we" means non-gun owners and "you" means gun owners, then when "we" tell you at some point in the future to "do as we say involuntarily," as you suggest, what will "you" point to from the past as the voluntary proposals that was ignored?  Get the point?  There is not one, right?  In the wake of Sandy Hook and other events, the mouthpiece for gun owners, the NRA has refused any reasonable restrictions on guns, right? The NRA solution is to arm more people and to arm schools, right? (but not at the cost of a tax on guns,lol)

Even if you disagree on gun control, which is fine, do you see the point from a pure negotiating perspective?  You cannot complain about the outcome of an event when you cede control to others because you put it in other's hands . . .  "You" might win it all with that approach, but "you" could also lose it all . .  but that was the choice "you" made by refusing to negotiate in good faith. You've only been able to ignore the other side for as long as you have because the other side was not organized and did not have MONEY . .  looks like that could be changing.

I know many here would disagree, but I think the best outcome has always been to negotiate in good faith. There is a rightful place for guns in society, but guns are not the issue, gun maker profits are the issue.

Not sure how many times I have said this Vin, it is not a case of saying no to everything, it's a case of saying no to things that don't address the so called problem.

 on: Today at 07:47:44 PM 
Last post by Revis and Butt-head
Rays offense in a gif.

 on: Today at 07:42:55 PM 
Last post by blind melon
Heard an interview with Matthews...  Confident and smart.   

I'd love the pick in the second.

 on: Today at 07:40:51 PM 
Last post by VinBucFan
If he cannot win a roster spot on that team he's done

 on: Today at 07:40:12 PM 
Last post by 10lbbass
The discussion of the Bucs drafting a QB comes down to two things that are looking less and less likely.  First, the consensus to do so with two starting QBs on their roster, one of which, they lobbied for in the off-season and got (McCown).  2nd, that the one QB they desire is available to draft on draft day if they are given the ok to draft one.  It's looking a lot more like Manziel, Bridgewater and Bortles will be gone by the time the Bucs draft.  Selecting any other QB at that point with your #7 puts you in the, I'm not sure I like my job that much so let's risk it with ____________ (insert leftover here).  I think the needs of the draft by those that draft prior to us coupled with our need for a QB not being so dire have more impact on our #7 selection than anything else.

 on: Today at 07:39:50 PM 
Last post by ISLAND BUCS
For me Feel Real Good made the most compelling argument for taking a QB early and doing the best you can with the holes to wit:

"Look what happened in 2008. Most people thought Jake Long was one of the best tackle prospects in years and Matt Ryan was a pretty good but not great QB. The Dolphins took their highest rated player and still sucked. The Falcons took the QB and have been better than they've ever been as a franchise."

 on: Today at 07:38:46 PM 
Last post by Buc on the Move
The more I read this thread title, the more I am waiting for the sentence to finish.

Freeman's a Giant ________.

I would fill in the blank with "waste of a roster spot".

 on: Today at 07:38:20 PM 
Last post by blind melon
My NYG fan friend calls Freeman a camp arm.   Can't say that's a bad approach.   Dude always seemed better in camp than regular season

 on: Today at 07:33:15 PM 
Last post by dbucfan
Kerry Collins 2.0
Lindsay Lohan 2.0
very nice -  :)

 on: Today at 07:32:28 PM 
Last post by VinBucFan
It's only that way if you're looking at this season as the last season ever. They don't need to go from 4-12 to Super Bowl in the first season. The Bucs must feel good about Nicks and picking up a G late or from one of the many veterans that will come available. I also don't think Williams was a surprise loss. They may have hoped he turned it around but their public comments from the outset were that he had to change.

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