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« : February 24, 2010, 12:59:19 PM »

It was thanks to the Wall Street bankers that enabled Hitlers rise to power. There would not have been a WWII, but there was thanks to some very powerful people in Washington. Guess who was one of those influential people that helped Hitlers rise? Prescott Bush, anybody know who that Is? None other than George W Bush's Grand Daddy who was a former U.S. Senator and Wall Street Banker and known Nazi symphathizer. We originally financed Hitlers rise to help defeat Communism and among other things. Oliver Stone is putting together a 10 part documentary that outlines Americas secret dark history, not that I hadn't already knew about. It seems like history keeps repeating itself and we always end up biting ourselves in the a$$. It happened again when we financed and were allies with Bin Laden, enabling him to defeat the Soviets in there invasion of Afganistan. It happened again when we made allies with Saddam Hussein with his war on the Kurds, WE were the ones who supplied him with chemical weapons that he used to gas them.

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« #1 : February 22, 2010, 08:47:16 PM »

Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be 'Massacred'
Michael Isikoff

The chief author of the Bush administration's "torture memo" told Justice Department investigators that the president's war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be "massacred," according to a report released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility.

The views of former Justice lawyer John Yoo were deemed to be so extreme and out of step with legal precedents that they prompted the Justice Department's internal watchdog office to conclude last year that he committed "intentional professional misconduct" when he advised the CIA it could proceed with waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects.

The report by OPR concludes that Yoo, now a Berkeley law professor, and his boss at the time, Jay Bybee, now a federal judge, should be referred to their state bar associations for possible disciplinary proceedings. But, as first reported by NEWSWEEK, another senior department lawyer, David Margolis, reviewed the report and last month overruled its findings on the grounds that there was no clear and "unambiguous" standard by which OPR was judging the lawyers. Instead, Margolis, who was the final decision-maker in the inquiry, found that they were guilty of only "poor judgment."

The report, more than four years in the making, is filled with new details into how a small group of lawyers at the Justice Department, the CIA, and the White House crafted the legal arguments that gave the green light to some of the most controversial tactics in the Bush administration's war on terror. They also describe how Bush administration officials were so worried about the prospect that CIA officers might be criminally prosecuted for torture that one senior official—Attorney General John Ashcroft—even suggested that President Bush issue "advance pardons" for those engaging in waterboarding, a proposal that he was quickly told was not possible.

At the core of the legal arguments were the views of Yoo, strongly backed by David Addington, Vice President **CENSORED** Cheney's legal counsel, that the president's wartime powers were essentially unlimited and included the authority to override laws passed by Congress, such as a statute banning the use of torture. Pressed on his views in an interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally—"

"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."

"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.

"Sure," said Yoo.

Yoo is depicted as the driving force behind an Aug. 1, 2002, Justice Department memo that narrowly defined torture and then added sections concluding that, in the end, it essentially didn't matter what the fine print of the congressionally passed law said: The president's authority superseded the law and CIA officers who might later be accused of torture could also argue that were acting in "self defense" in order to save American lives.

The original torture memo was prompted by concerns by John Rizzo, the CIA's general counsel, that the agency's officers might be criminally prosecuted if they proceeded with waterboarding and other rough tactics in their interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, an allegedly high-level Al Qaeda-linked operative who had been captured in Pakistan and in the spring of 2002 was transferred to a CIA "black site" prison in Thailand. Rizzo wanted the Justice Department to provide a blanket letter declining criminal prosecution, essentially providing immunity for any action engaged in by CIA officers, a request that Michael Chertoff, then chief of the Justice Department's criminal division, refused to provide. It was at that point that Yoo began crafting his opinion, the contents of which he actively reviewed with senior officials at the White House. "Let's plan on going over [to the White House] at 3:30 to see some other folks about the bad things opinion," he wrote in a July 12, 2002, e-mail quoted in the OPR report.

The report describes two meetings at the White House with then-chief counsel Alberto Gonzales and "possibly Addington." (Addington refused to talk to the OPR investigators but testified before Congress that he did in fact have at least one meeting with Yoo in the summer of 2002 to discuss the contents of the torture opinion.) After the second meeting, on July 16, 2002, Yoo began writing new sections of his memo that included his controversial views on the president's powers as commander in chief. When one of his associates, Patrick Philbin, questioned the inclusion of that section and suggested it be removed, Yoo replied, "They want it in there," according to an account given by Philbin to OPR investigators. Philbin said he didn't know who the "they" was but assumed it was whoever it was that requested the opinion (technically, that was the CIA, although, as the report makes clear, the White House was also pressing for it).

Yoo provided extensive comments to OPR defending his views of the president's war-making authority and disputing OPR's take that he slanted them to accommodate the White House. He did not immediately respond to NEWSWEEK'S request for comment Friday night. 

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« #2 : February 22, 2010, 09:06:15 PM »

gotta give you credit....with your sig....i didnt think you would comment on this.

Good for you....and quite scary for sure.


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« #3 : February 22, 2010, 09:16:41 PM »

Its WAR! If the president thought it in the best interests of the country to destroy a country with one push of the button.(Woman and Children included). I'll support it.  America first.


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« #4 : February 22, 2010, 09:21:23 PM »

Its WAR! If the president thought it in the best interests of the country to destroy a country with one push of the button.(Woman and Children included). I'll support it.  America first.

That same mentality is why we are viewed as the most hated country in the world.

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« #5 : February 22, 2010, 09:34:14 PM »

We have some sick individuals in our government. Some of this sounds like what Nixon admitted to during the Frost/Nixon interviews. But Nixon went further.

Frost asked Nixon about the legality of the president's actions. Nixon replied: "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

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« #6 : February 22, 2010, 09:38:05 PM »

WOW.


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« #7 : February 22, 2010, 10:36:53 PM »

The president can vaporize an entire country at any moment. He's had that power for decades.

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« #8 : February 22, 2010, 10:43:24 PM »

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« #9 : February 22, 2010, 10:45:44 PM »

The president can vaporize an entire country at any moment. He's had that power for decades.

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« #10 : February 22, 2010, 11:10:52 PM »

If any country other than the USA was the world superpower, the world would have been vaporized years ago.

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« #11 : February 23, 2010, 02:09:33 AM »

that is a very unsettling article. as much as i believe terrorists aren't entitled to the protections that uniformed combatants are i don't support such broad executive powers. unfortunately executive power has increased so much since the days of andrew jackson, the first executive to really step out and lay claim to powers that hadn't previously been the president's.

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« #12 : February 23, 2010, 10:34:12 AM »

better their civilians than ours

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« #13 : February 23, 2010, 10:39:46 AM »

Its WAR! If the president thought it in the best interests of the country to destroy a country with one push of the button.(Woman and Children included). I'll support it. America first.

That same mentality is why we are viewed as the most hated country in the world.

Yep.  That is the mentality that BREEDS terrorism.  We've created our own enemies.  And from a purely objective viewpoint, we're reaping what we've sowed.


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« #14 : February 23, 2010, 11:24:56 AM »

Its WAR! If the president thought it in the best interests of the country to destroy a country with one push of the button.(Woman and Children included). I'll support it. America first.

That same mentality is why we are viewed as the most hated country in the world.

Yep. That is the mentality that BREEDS terrorism. We've created our own enemies. And from a purely objective viewpoint, we're reaping what we've sowed.

We'll sow more than we reap flojo......Here's a thought.........How 'bout you just go hide somewhere, and we'll  do what needs to be done, you wimp!!
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