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#15 : March 15, 2010, 04:14:34 PM

Spartan, you are no more credible than the irelevant sites you get your info from because you can't even count. You said there 2 problems but I counted 4.

People who live in glass grammar houses shouldn't throw counting stones.


Did you get that out of your handbook? I was typing from a phone, I edited while you were submitting your meaningless post.

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#16 : March 15, 2010, 04:21:13 PM


nutjob conspiracy theories


I would love for you to tell that to a family members face of those who lost there lives on 9/11, since a vast majority of them are the ones who started the 9/11 truth movement. I would love for you to do that and I would love to see what the results were.

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#17 : March 15, 2010, 04:23:02 PM

Spartan, you are no more credible than the irelevant sites you get your info from because you can't even count. You said there 2 problems but I counted 4.

People who live in glass grammar houses shouldn't throw counting stones.


Did you get that out of your handbook? I was typing from a phone, I edited while you were submitting your meaningless post.

But your refusal to address Spartan's points, choosing instead to play numbers, was very meaningful.

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#18 : March 15, 2010, 04:23:50 PM


nutjob conspiracy theories


I would love for you to tell that to a family members face of those who lost there lives on 9/11, since a vast majority of them are the ones who started the 9/11 truth movement. I would love for you to do that and I would love to see what the results were.

The sympathy ploy? Your arguments grow weaker by the moment.

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#19 : March 15, 2010, 04:27:37 PM

who lost there lives on 9/11,

'There' is a place, 'their' shows possession. You consistently make fundamental grammar errors like this. That's why I was pointing out that it was a little hypocritical of you to criticize Spartan for his numerical faux pas, instead of addressing the content of his post.

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#20 : March 15, 2010, 04:28:54 PM

Spartan, you are no more credible than the irelevant sites you get your info from because you can't even count. You said there 2 problems but I counted 4.

People who live in glass grammar houses shouldn't throw counting stones.


Did you get that out of your handbook? I was typing from a phone, I edited while you were submitting your meaningless post.

But your refusal to address Spartan's points, choosing instead to play numbers, was very meaningful.


What points? There were none? They were all based on his oppinions and not facts! I guarantee he hasn't done his own research, he looks at what side of the argument and not the other.

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#21 : March 15, 2010, 04:46:05 PM

I guarantee he hasn't done his own research, he looks at what side of the argument and not the other.

I see what you mean. That's only good when you do it.

Even if Newton�s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn�t exist.

This is one that you hear a lot on the conspiracy sites. Here's another example of it:
"Both demolitions took place in about 15 seconds, which is about the time it would take for a free-fall from that height."
http://911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

Instead of taking their word for it, let's do the math:
The distance that an object in free fall travels can be determined by the sum of the original velocity multiplied by time and one half of acceleration multiplied by time squared. The original velocity is usually written as v sub o, but I don't know how to put subscripts into this font so I'm just going to use v. It doesn't matter anyway since the original velocity is zero and it can be factored out of the equation.

x = vt + 1/2at^2
where
x = distance traveled
v = velocity
t = time
a = acceleration

Since the original velocity is zero, vt = zero and we'll remove it. The ^2 means squared, for those that aren't familiar with using this connotation for a superscript.

x = 1/2at^2

Multiply both sides by 2

2x = at^2

Divide both sides by a

2x/a = t^2

Take the square root of each side and

t = sq.rt. of (2x/a)

The roof of the building was 417 meters off the ground. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared.

t = sq.rt. of (834/9.8m s^2)
t = 9.2 seconds

15 seconds is 163% of 9.2. The 'free-fall speed' theory is a fallacy.


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#22 : March 15, 2010, 05:14:50 PM

Spartan, Morgan and anyone else who can't think outside the box, please take notes. Be very fortunate that Jesse Ventura is not on this Board....that I know of.


You're talking about that loon from WWE?

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#24 : March 15, 2010, 05:22:34 PM

Spartan, Morgan and anyone else who can't think outside the box, please take notes. Be very fortunate that Jesse Ventura is not on this Board....that I know of.


Yeah, a former Navy Seal, Governor of Minnesota, Harvard teacher. Yeah those are all the characteristics of a "loon".

You're talking about that loon from WWE?

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#25 : March 15, 2010, 05:25:40 PM


Are you going to address this post or not, TBbuccaneer40?

Even if Newton�s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn�t exist.

This is one that you hear a lot on the conspiracy sites. Here's another example of it:
"Both demolitions took place in about 15 seconds, which is about the time it would take for a free-fall from that height."
http://911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

Instead of taking their word for it, let's do the math:
The distance that an object in free fall travels can be determined by the sum of the original velocity multiplied by time and one half of acceleration multiplied by time squared. The original velocity is usually written as v sub o, but I don't know how to put subscripts into this font so I'm just going to use v. It doesn't matter anyway since the original velocity is zero and it can be factored out of the equation.

x = vt + 1/2at^2
where
x = distance traveled
v = velocity
t = time
a = acceleration

Since the original velocity is zero, vt = zero and we'll remove it. The ^2 means squared, for those that aren't familiar with using this connotation for a superscript.

x = 1/2at^2

Multiply both sides by 2

2x = at^2

Divide both sides by a

2x/a = t^2

Take the square root of each side and

t = sq.rt. of (2x/a)

The roof of the building was 417 meters off the ground. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared.

t = sq.rt. of (834/9.8m s^2)
t = 9.2 seconds

15 seconds is 163% of 9.2. The 'free-fall speed' theory is a fallacy.


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#26 : March 15, 2010, 05:27:32 PM




So you're going to believe this guy over the 9/11 Commission?

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#27 : March 15, 2010, 05:54:19 PM


Are you going to address this post or not, TBbuccaneer40?

Even if Newton�s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn�t exist.

This is one that you hear a lot on the conspiracy sites. Here's another example of it:
"Both demolitions took place in about 15 seconds, which is about the time it would take for a free-fall from that height."
http://911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

Instead of taking their word for it, let's do the math:
The distance that an object in free fall travels can be determined by the sum of the original velocity multiplied by time and one half of acceleration multiplied by time squared. The original velocity is usually written as v sub o, but I don't know how to put subscripts into this font so I'm just going to use v. It doesn't matter anyway since the original velocity is zero and it can be factored out of the equation.

x = vt + 1/2at^2
where
x = distance traveled
v = velocity
t = time
a = acceleration

Since the original velocity is zero, vt = zero and we'll remove it. The ^2 means squared, for those that aren't familiar with using this connotation for a superscript.

x = 1/2at^2

Multiply both sides by 2

2x = at^2

Divide both sides by a

2x/a = t^2

Take the square root of each side and

t = sq.rt. of (2x/a)

The roof of the building was 417 meters off the ground. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared.

t = sq.rt. of (834/9.8m s^2)
t = 9.2 seconds

15 seconds is 163% of 9.2. The 'free-fall speed' theory is a fallacy.



I'm not much of a math guy. Also why should I answer Spartan when he doesn't answer any of my questions, like how about all these eyewitness accounts-

I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building.
James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)

... I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes.
Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]

Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.
Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)

At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that.
Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]

We originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down
Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]

... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions.
Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8]

.. there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.
-Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]

Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode.
Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)

I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there.
Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)

... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions. 
-Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22] 

“All of a sudden at 8:46… we hear ‘BOOM!’ An explosion so powerful and so loud that push us upward in the air coming from below. It was so powerful that all the walls cracked, the false ceiling fell on top of us, the sprinkler system got activated and everybody started screaming in horror: ‘HELP! HELP! HELP!’ ”
— William Rodriguez

"It sounded like a bomb and the lights went on and off," said Sanchez in the tape recording. "We started to walk to the exit and a huge ball of fire went through the freight elevator. The hot air from the ball of fire dropped Chino to the floor and my hair got burned," said Sanchez in the tape recording. "The room then got full of smoke and I remember saying out loud 'I believe it was a bomb that blew up inside the building.'
-Jose Sanchez

I heard this metallic roar, looked up and saw what I thought was just a peculiar site of individual floors, one after the other exploding outward. I thought to myself, “My God, they’re going to bring the building down.” And they, whoever they are, had set charges. In fact the building was imploding down. I saw the explosions, and I thought, ‘This is not a good place to be, because we’re too close to the building, and it’s too easy for the building to topple over.’
-John Bussey

We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.
-Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]

But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion
-Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202]

Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building....My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.
Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)

I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.
Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)

I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.
-Jay Swithers -- Captain (E.M.S.)

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#28 : March 15, 2010, 05:58:33 PM


What points? There were none? They were all based on his oppinions and not facts! I guarantee he hasn't done his own research, he looks at what side of the argument and not the other.

Oh really, bet I've done a lot more research than you have, and that includes reading the loony bin sites.

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#29 : March 15, 2010, 06:07:09 PM

I'm not much of a math guy.

Surrender noted. Cease and desist with the 'no one does any research' business. It is the conspiracy theorists that are the guilty party in this instance.

Also, lots of things explode when subjected to rapidly increasing temperatures. Anyone who's ever had a fireplace knows this. Or maybe a team of covert demolition specialists has been tampering with my woodpile.
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