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#30 : April 05, 2011, 10:09:19 AM

Liberals would take conservatives more seriously

What, kicked the crap out of them in an election?

Oh noes, the high-horse liberals don't take the knuckle-dragging conservatives seriously.

Conservatives won the House after not being in charge of ANY branch of elected government. Good job on your comeback.  ::)

Right. Your liberal buddies had complete control for a whole 2 years before they got their arses ran out of the building.  They do good work.

I'm curious, do you think you are actually making good points on this board?  You're getting the crap kicked out of you by multiple posters on multiple issues.

Troll.


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#31 : April 05, 2011, 10:45:15 AM

Actually no...

The biggest government expenditure is Medicare/Medicaid at $793 billion per year. Second is Social Security at $701 billion per year. Third is defense which is $689 billion per year. Discretionary spending is 4th at $660 billion.

What really blew up was Medicare. When they passed that law it was calculated at the time that it would never go beyond $90 billion. So the government bought a program that cost much more money than they thought it would at the time. That's why lots of people are worried about Obamacare bankrupting us in 20 years.

You're both wrong. Coming in at $1.2 trillion in expenditures is Waste, Fraud and Corruption.

Or is that three different programs?

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#32 : April 05, 2011, 10:49:49 AM

Actually no...

The biggest government expenditure is Medicare/Medicaid at $793 billion per year. Second is Social Security at $701 billion per year. Third is defense which is $689 billion per year. Discretionary spending is 4th at $660 billion.

What really blew up was Medicare. When they passed that law it was calculated at the time that it would never go beyond $90 billion. So the government bought a program that cost much more money than they thought it would at the time. That's why lots of people are worried about Obamacare bankrupting us in 20 years.

You're both wrong. Coming in at $1.2 trillion in expenditures is Waste, Fraud and Corruption.

Or is that three different programs?

No argument here, which is why reform is necessary. The problem is that conservatives seem to think that reforms and cuts are one in the same. They are not.


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#33 : April 05, 2011, 11:00:49 AM

Troll.

Unfortunately for you, this is the best argument you've made on this board in quite some time.


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#34 : April 05, 2011, 11:01:45 AM

Here is a suggestion that might help the health care system with just a little bit less unnecessary regulation

The Myth of Free-Market Healthcare


http://mises.org/daily/5066/The-Myth-of-FreeMarket-Health-Care


It does seem the recurring theme of letting the "GOVMENT DO IT" almost always turns into a huge mistake!!

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#35 : April 05, 2011, 11:03:32 AM

Troll.

Unfortunately for you, this is the best argument you've made on this board in quite some time.

You seem to have an anger issue. You should talk to someone about that.


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#36 : April 05, 2011, 11:34:03 AM

ST. PETERSBURG - The booing began in earnest well before the game even got under way.

But it had nothing to do with the Tampa Bay Rays.

Or the Baltimore Orioles.

It had everything to do with who was throwing out the ceremonial first pitch to kick off the Rays' season Gov. Rick Scott.

Scott, wearing a No. 45 Rays jersey to mark that he's the 45th governor of the state, took to the mound amid an avalanche of boos and just a smattering of applause.

He smiled and waved to the crowd as he took the mound and again after he threw a pitch that was far better than the one former Gov. Charlie Crist delivered when he was the state's top elected official.

David Pearlman of Tampa called the governor a "scumbag" and a "dirtbag" and gave him the thumbs-down signal as he loudly booed. The boos echoed inside Tropicana Field from fans angry over many moves Scott has made during his short stint as governor.

"I think he's a fraud," Pearlman said. "I think he's a criminal."

The Tampa man doesn't like how Scott rejected billions of federal dollars for high-speed rail and he doesn't like what he is doing to education and teachers.

"I think he's been wrong across the board," he said. "I think he bought the election."

Ruth and Lee Levant of Tampa were on the other side of the aisle literally and figuratively from Pearlman.

They applauded the governor as he threw out the first pitch.

"I think he's doing a great job," said Lee Levant. "He's trying not to waste money. I think he ought to run for president."

Hours before the game began, about 100 sign-toting protesters gathered outside the stadium, urging those arriving to unleash their boos on the governor.

They carried signs that said things like "Hey Rick, pick on someone in your own tax bracket" and "Trade Rick Scott to the Yankees."

Ironically, Scott also was booed at a New York Yankees spring training game at Legends Field recently.

Annette Hicks of Tampa has been a school psychologist for 26 years and she has never been this worried about the future of education.

"I have grave concerns about its future," she said. "I did not vote for him and I'm not happy."

For every person who hates him because of his deep cuts, there is a person who respects him for finnally making the hard choices.  Somebody eventually has to cut the fat or the whole system is just going to collapse under it's own weight. 

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#37 : April 05, 2011, 11:42:52 AM

Troll.

Unfortunately for you, this is the best argument you've made on this board in quite some time.

You seem to have an anger issue. You should talk to someone about that.

Left Field just called.  They wanted to thank you for coming.


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#38 : April 05, 2011, 11:45:58 AM

Troll.

Unfortunately for you, this is the best argument you've made on this board in quite some time.

You seem to have an anger issue. You should talk to someone about that.

I would think if there was an anger issue here Bigg's post would have been all in BOLD, but I'm no psychologist mind you.

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#39 : April 05, 2011, 12:05:22 PM

Regarding human nature... for some of you liberal minded people.  One day hopefully you'll realize that given ignorence of costs and misdirection by government all people want something for what they percieve of as free. 

I'm an accountant and It always amazes me the range of incomes that people have who claim to be poor.  The people who should be paying lots of taxes is always the guy who makes just a little more than I do.   Most of the population is always going to overspend and feel like they don't have enough and think they should get something (less taxes, food stamps, free healthcare...)  The role government NEEDS to take is the responsible course that includes telling people no once in a while.

Watching the unions protest governor Scott's job cuts that we need to make and complaining about the little guy not getting his share... Union workers in Florida not getting their share?    I think most of them are better off than most of the other workers in this state.  I don't blame them for wanting to keep their plush positions but working for the goverment is not a right when the government is going broke.  Go work in the private sector and I know it's unfortunate that you'll probably have to work a bit harder and you might be responsible to plan for your own retirement or even pay some of your own health insurance but you'll be right there in competition with the rest of us.  Have faith in yourselves. 

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#40 : April 05, 2011, 12:17:58 PM

Actually no...

The biggest government expenditure is Medicare/Medicaid at $793 billion per year. Second is Social Security at $701 billion per year. Third is defense which is $689 billion per year. Discretionary spending is 4th at $660 billion.

What really blew up was Medicare. When they passed that law it was calculated at the time that it would never go beyond $90 billion. So the government bought a program that cost much more money than they thought it would at the time. That's why lots of people are worried about Obamacare bankrupting us in 20 years.

You're both wrong. Coming in at $1.2 trillion in expenditures is Waste, Fraud and Corruption.

Or is that three different programs?

No argument here, which is why reform is necessary. The problem is that conservatives seem to think that reforms and cuts are one in the same. They are not.

I don't know about you CBW, but when I'm worried I won't be able to pay my mortgage or electric I fire the lawn guy.  If you have a better strategy I'm all ears.

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#41 : April 05, 2011, 01:10:47 PM

The problem is the far left does not want to cut the government budgets. They want to redistribute the wealth.

In other words, instead of cutting pensions for government employees or reducing the size of government, the liberals would rather we raise taxes on the wealthy. These people want socialism.

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#42 : April 05, 2011, 01:37:46 PM

The problem is the far left does not want to cut the government budgets. They want to redistribute the wealth.

In other words, instead of cutting pensions for government employees or reducing the size of government, the liberals would rather we raise taxes on the wealthy. These people want socialism.

So how about an increase to the top income tax rate accompanied with budget cuts? I'm a member of the far left, and I'd sign on to that.


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#43 : April 05, 2011, 01:46:08 PM

The problem is the far left does not want to cut the government budgets. They want to redistribute the wealth.

In other words, instead of cutting pensions for government employees or reducing the size of government, the liberals would rather we raise taxes on the wealthy. These people want socialism.

In my eyes the real problem has more to do with class warfare on both sides.  Being objective, you should be able to see how someone could percieve that fiscal conservatives are against the poor can't you?  It's a problem that won't ever go away.  There will always be an attempt by society to balance social welfare and capitalising on hard work.   For what it's worth, I'm with you on this.  At this time we need to reign in spending.   

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#44 : April 05, 2011, 02:01:02 PM

The problem is the far left does not want to cut the government budgets. They want to redistribute the wealth.

In other words, instead of cutting pensions for government employees or reducing the size of government, the liberals would rather we raise taxes on the wealthy. These people want socialism.

So how about an increase to the top income tax rate accompanied with budget cuts? I'm a member of the far left, and I'd sign on to that.

I am sure you would, but unfortunately you can't raise taxes high enough to cover the expenses.
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