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#15 : February 05, 2012, 11:18:10 PM

Part of life bud. All things including sports evolve. If they never changed they'd still be playing in leather helmets out there.

I'd call this more like "de-evolve" rather than "evolve".

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#16 : February 05, 2012, 11:18:55 PM

Wow, BFTC+, that was a pretty intense rebuttal.  Yep, I may be alone on this island, but I am fine with that.  I liked when guys like Mike Alstott had a place in the NFL.  I loved it when John Lynch or Hardy Nickerson forced their will on the receivers.  I loved it when Lawrence Dawsey gutted it out over the middle.loved the term "slobberknocker". I don't care howmany people check the NFL on their Iphones, or "like " them on Facebook, I miss the old days.


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#17 : February 05, 2012, 11:22:29 PM

Part of life bud. All things including sports evolve. If they never changed they'd still be playing in leather helmets out there.

While I tend to like good running games and defense, it's not the change itself that is bad. There's always been high powered air attacks like the Rams in 90s, but I actually feel like there is less diversity and teams are becoming way too much of the same blueprint. Also as mentioned it actually seems like fundamentals are getting worse. I don't even know sometimes if offenses are getting better or defenses are just getting worse. I also feel like while safety is good they are going overboard with some of the rules and the way of old fashioned slugfests and physical games are dying out. You can see it in the players too, no one wants players to affect their quality of life later on down the road but it seems like a lot of players are taking a seat with smaller injuries every day.

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#18 : February 05, 2012, 11:22:46 PM

Ummm, don't need to look up "dynamic" Anomoly, but thanks.  Change is not always good, ask the dinosaurs. 

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#19 : February 05, 2012, 11:26:53 PM

funny how threads evolve.  The OP said he was beginning to "hate the NFL"  I pointed out that his view is in the minority and the response is to attack the majority as something less thasn "true fans"  Dr. Seuss would be proud.

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#20 : February 05, 2012, 11:27:19 PM

I am more than ok with them trying to make the game safer.  More changes are coming.  Not sure what kind of person can complain about them trying to save lives.  Yes....save freaking lives.  The avg lifespan of an NFL player is 57 yrs old.  That's it........what kind of person can complain about them changing the "hitting" KNOWING these guys are dying for your 3 hours of sunday pleasure.  Only IGNORANT people.....that's it.  Make it as safe as you can for these guys.  The game is still the game and I'll always be a fan.

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#21 : February 05, 2012, 11:35:06 PM

Ok Anomaly, if you are such a reat human being and sooo concerned with the well being of our fellow man, please explain why you are spending time on a website associated with supporting a franchise that is shortening the lives of so many of our brothers.  If you are so educated and cultered, please follow a more humane sport like oh say bowling.  Please also start protesting occuptions like roofing when the life expectancy is similarly shortened by high cancer rates and disability rates are sky high due to various job related injuries. ( all while being compensated at a much lower rate...)  Listen wise guy drop the hollier than thou act. 

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#22 : February 05, 2012, 11:41:42 PM

Wow, BFTC+, that was a pretty intense rebuttal.  Yep, I may be alone on this island, but I am fine with that.  I liked when guys like Mike Alstott had a place in the NFL. I loved it when John Lynch or Hardy Nickerson forced their will on the receivers.  I loved it when Lawrence Dawsey gutted it out over the middle.loved the term "slobberknocker". I don't care howmany people check the NFL on their Iphones, or "like " them on Facebook, I miss the old days.

This is what I mean.

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#23 : February 05, 2012, 11:45:59 PM

Ummm, don't need to look up "dynamic" Anomoly, but thanks.  Change is not always good, ask the dinosaurs.

Maybe you do need to look up the definition....because it characterizes change and PROGRESS.....I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the dinosaurs didn't consider what happened "progress"....lol.....

And why are being such a lil whining va-gina about it?  When YOU and others start complaining about people trying to make roofing SAFER I'll say the same to you.  But since this is the current topic.....let's stay on topic.


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#24 : February 05, 2012, 11:53:16 PM

I am more than ok with them trying to make the game safer.  More changes are coming.  Not sure what kind of person can complain about them trying to save lives.  Yes....save freaking lives.  The avg lifespan of an NFL player is 57 yrs old.  That's it........what kind of person can complain about them changing the "hitting" KNOWING these guys are dying for your 3 hours of sunday pleasure.  Only IGNORANT people.....that's it.  Make it as safe as you can for these guys.  The game is still the game and I'll always be a fan.

Give me a break, talk about overreaction. Having more awareness with concussions and all that is great, but don't tell me that penalizing a player for lightly rapping a QB on the helmet or gently knocking him or as you're trying to stop is saving his life. I don't think too many WRs were literally dying earlier because they got tackled while 'defenseless'. If it's helmet to helmet than yeah, I understand stuff like that, but at some point you do get excessive. The fact is there is a balance some where. You want players to be safe from life threatening injuries, but you also can't keep them from getting injured altogether without drastically changing what many of us love. The modern day thinking is that if there is any significant injuries at all we have to change something. At the end of the day people will get hurt and you can't prevent that. Broken legs, arms, torn ligaments,etc. You can't have everyone playing scared or it just stops being what we enjoy so much. There's a reason why they're paid so much and it's not just because they can run fast and are really strong. They know the risks. Heck I used to love just going out with my friends and laying some big hits on one another even without all the protective equipment. Of course there was always a chance of getting injured and few did happen, but we were willing to take that risk.

EDIT: And if you want to start using examples... should we start making chokes and arm bars illegal in wrestling because someone could get hurt? Should we say no punches or kicks to the face in UFC?

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#25 : February 05, 2012, 11:55:46 PM

Anomoly, you are a clown.  If you are happy with the current state of things, grreat, head off to so post about the newest NFL app and how it will revolutionize your life.  I was on topic, I was simply saying that I miss the football I grew up with and am begining t hate the business end of it.  You started this crusade about the safety of our fellow man thing., not to mention the insults.  Get a life buddy.

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#26 : February 06, 2012, 12:01:45 AM

I am more than ok with them trying to make the game safer.  More changes are coming.  Not sure what kind of person can complain about them trying to save lives.  Yes....save freaking lives.  The avg lifespan of an NFL player is 57 yrs old.  That's it........what kind of person can complain about them changing the "hitting" KNOWING these guys are dying for your 3 hours of sunday pleasure.  Only IGNORANT people.....that's it.  Make it as safe as you can for these guys.  The game is still the game and I'll always be a fan.

Give me a break, talk about overreaction. Having more awareness with concussions and all that is great, but don't tell me that penalizing a player for lightly rapping a QB on the helmet or gently knocking him or as you're trying to stop is saving his life. I don't think too many WRs were literally dying earlier because they got tackled while 'defenseless'. If it's helmet to helmet than yeah, I understand stuff like that, but at some point you do get excessive. The fact is there is a balance some where. You want players to be safe from life threatening injuries, but you also can't keep them from getting injured altogether without drastically changing what many of us love. The modern day thinking is that if there is any significant injuries at all we have to change something. At the end of the day people will get hurt and you can't prevent that. Broken legs, arms, torn ligaments,etc. You can't have everyone playing scared or it just stops being what we enjoy so much. There's a reason why they're paid so much and it's not just because they can run fast and are really strong. They know the risks. Heck I used to love just going out with my friends and laying some big hits on one another even without all the protective equipment. Of course there was always a chance of getting injured and few did happen, but we were willing to take that risk.

EDIT: And if you want to start using examples... should we start making chokes and arm bars illegal in wrestling because someone could get hurt? Should we say no punches or kicks to the face in UFC?

Well put.

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#27 : February 06, 2012, 08:19:45 AM

Anomoly, you are a clown.  If you are happy with the current state of things, grreat, head off to so post about the newest NFL app and how it will revolutionize your life.  I was on topic, I was simply saying that I miss the football I grew up with and am begining t hate the business end of it.  You started this crusade about the safety of our fellow man thing., not to mention the insults.  Get a life buddy.

No...the roofer thing was way the heck off topic.  THAT is what I was talking about.  And I'm not the one who started the self pity oh-woe-is-me act about the NFL.  Believe it or not, they are thinking long term here and cleaning up the hits is going to save lives whether you want to accept it or not.  I'm all for it even if we lose a few fans that don't understand the severity of concussions.

Back in 70's and 80's these guys weren't the size and had the power they do now.  It's like being one of the idiots that watches a nascar race hoping for a huge wreck.  THEY ARE IGNORANT.

This horse is dead.

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#28 : February 06, 2012, 08:35:01 AM

funny how threads evolve.  The OP said he was beginning to "hate the NFL"  I pointed out that his view is in the minority and the response is to attack the majority as something less thasn "true fans"  Dr. Seuss would be proud.

Hey Vince, I never said or implied that the new found "majority" you are refering to is any less  of a fan than I am or the others who feel like I do.  Your own insecurities might have clouded your interpretations there.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Mine happens to be that I miss the old days when it felt more lie a sport, rather than a season long broadway show.

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#29 : February 06, 2012, 08:51:00 AM

Anomoly, you are a clown.  If you are happy with the current state of things, grreat, head off to so post about the newest NFL app and how it will revolutionize your life.  I was on topic, I was simply saying that I miss the football I grew up with and am begining t hate the business end of it.  You started this crusade about the safety of our fellow man thing., not to mention the insults.  Get a life buddy.

No...the roofer thing was way the heck off topic.  THAT is what I was talking about.  And I'm not the one who started the self pity oh-woe-is-me act about the NFL.  Believe it or not, they are thinking long term here and cleaning up the hits is going to save lives whether you want to accept it or not.  I'm all for it even if we lose a few fans that don't understand the severity of concussions.

Back in 70's and 80's these guys weren't the size and had the power they do now.  It's like being one of the idiots that watches a nascar race hoping for a huge wreck.  THEY ARE IGNORANT.

This horse is dead.

I think your brain is the only dead item we are witnessing here.  I think the horse is still kicking.  If you dislike the thread so much and feel so warm and tingly about keeping others safe, please grave a neon orange vest and stop sign and start escorting kids through a cross walk, or at least stop posting on this thread and find another more to your liking.   

I also want to clarify, I am not starting to hate the NFL because of just the rule changes, but because the leauge is begining to feel like  a giant reality show.  There is a bit of media overkill.  I feel like old school fans are being marginalized.  The blue collar Americans who once were the backbone of the fan base are being catered to less and less and the product is more of an event than a sport.  That is just my humble opinion.  As corporate America and box seats and club level seats invade more and more stadiums, the cheap seats and the butts that fill them are becoming less and less important.  I don't blame the NFL, profit is good and the last I checked this is still a capitalist natin.  No problem with that.  But forgive me if I still feel a bit of nostalgia for the old days when the old Sombrero was just fine for watching a game, and fans came to watch football (albeit bad football for many years) instead of ships booming cannons and working up the crowd when the ofense is crossing the red zone, or ignoring thegame and acting like drunk frat boyswhile guys dressed as second rate pirates inthe endzoone toss 2 cent strands of beads in to the crowd.
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