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#15 : December 13, 2012, 10:23:06 AM

I would love for us to draft a pass rush specialist...just not Sam Montgomery.

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#16 : December 13, 2012, 10:27:05 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.
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#17 : December 13, 2012, 10:32:05 AM

I would love for us to draft a pass rush specialist...just not Sam Montgomery.

This.

Lets f&#(!^ do this Lovie!

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#18 : December 13, 2012, 10:32:52 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.

Agree 100%.  However, I think we need to take one in the first as well.  We need an influx of talent at that position considering Johnson was undrafted, and Lewis/Gorrer are journeymen.  Don't even get me started on Myron Dufus.

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#19 : December 13, 2012, 10:36:42 AM

To anyone saying we should go pass rusher in the first round, consider this: last week we had 6 sacks and we were constantly in the face of a rookie 3rd round quarterback on a collapsing team. Our DB's still gave up 380 yards. We need cornerbacks with the utmost desperation.


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#20 : December 13, 2012, 10:39:05 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.

Agree 100%.  However, I think we need to take one in the first as well.  We need an influx of talent at that position considering Johnson was undrafted, and Lewis/Gorrer are journeymen.  Don't even get me started on Myron Dufus.
With Doms history of double dipping I would hope so.

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#21 : December 13, 2012, 10:42:21 AM

You can not have too many pass rushers.

I'd be fine with this pick.

The Giants have been acquiring DEs for years
Worth noting JPP is the only 1st round pick among them.

Also worth noting that they had Tuck, Canty, Osi, Kiwanuka, and Bernard on the DL when they spent a 1st on JPP.

What they did in previous drafts was irrelevant. They looked at the roster they had and selected a DE with their 1st round pick. It's delusional to think that they wouldn't have taken JPP had the spent a 1st on Tuck instead of a 3rd, or a 1st on Osi instead of a 2nd.
Oops forgot about Kiwanuka.

But my point wasn't that you should look at the Giants and say "Gee, they have a bunch of good defensive ends. We should keep using 1st round picks on defensive ends." My thought is the lesson from the Giants is they find some really good defensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, so you should copy how they do it, not just attempt to copy the finished results. When it comes to 1st round picks, the Giants use a lot of them on defensive backs.

I agree that we shouldn't just keep throwing 1st rounders at the DE position. My personal opinion of why we should take a DE/DT in the 1st is because of the players in this specific draft. I feel that there will be 5-6 really good DLmen available where we pick and they will all be graded in the 1st round based upon their potential/talent. I feel that the drop off from the guys that will go in the 1st is pretty significant compared to this that will go post 1st round. I don't feel the same with the CB class. I am not absolutely enamored with any of them. Milliner is very overrated, IMO. You then have Banks, Rhodes, Amerson and Poyer. I think to reach for one of these 5 with the 1st rounder, because you can get pretty much the same value/production from any one of the 2nd round CBs, which may end up being 2 of those 5 named. I think that the DL talent that will be available would be too good to pass up. If we do another desperation reach, then we may end up with another Mark Barron type pick, in which we will have to hope that he flips a complete 180 from what we see in his crappy 1st year. So for me it's just how I feel about this particular class, and not a general draft strategy.


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#22 : December 13, 2012, 10:43:51 AM

If we end up in the 12-14 range, I really think a trade down is the best option.  Trade back to the early to mid 20's, and take Xavier Rhodes and hopefully pick up an extra 3rd round pick.  In the 2nd round take Logan Ryan (if he comes out).  Then we still have 2 #3's and 2 #4's to spend on a FS, DE, OT, SLB.  Ideally it would look like this:
1: X. Rhodes CB FSU
2: L. Ryan CB Rutgers
3: John Simon DE Ohio St. - Another high character, team leader type guy.  Fits the Schiano mold
3: Justin Pugh LT Syracuse - Good developmental prospect to groom behind Penn.  Hard worker, team leader, and Schiano is familiar with him from time in Big East
4: Jamie Collins OLB Southern Miss - 6'3" 240 lb with good speed who is constantly in opponents backfield. 10 sacks, 20 TFL as a senior. Stock may shoot up after Senior Bowl and combine
4: Lamarcus Joyner S FSU - Only 5'8", but I'm sure the Seminole fans on the board will agree that he's a playmaker.  At the very least, he'll provide good depth and be a stand out on ST.

i actually like this mock quite a bit. you get 2 starting corners, a good DE and an OL to plug in at RT hopefully. the 4th rounders im not sure on but they arent bad. it at least covers a lot of needs

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#23 : December 13, 2012, 10:44:12 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.

Agree 100%.  However, I think we need to take one in the first as well.  We need an influx of talent at that position considering Johnson was undrafted, and Lewis/Gorrer are journeymen.  Don't even get me started on Myron Dufus.

I think we will be better suited with signing a FA CB, using the 1st rounder on the best defensive player available, and use 2 of the 2nd-4th round picks on 2 more DBs.


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#24 : December 13, 2012, 10:49:48 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.

Agree 100%.  However, I think we need to take one in the first as well.  We need an influx of talent at that position considering Johnson was undrafted, and Lewis/Gorrer are journeymen.  Don't even get me started on Myron Dufus.

I think we will be better suited with signing a FA CB, using the 1st rounder on the best defensive player available, and use 2 of the 2nd-4th round picks on 2 more DBs.

Can't argue that, but which FA CB are you thinking ?

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#25 : December 13, 2012, 11:06:22 AM

CB!

That would be my second choice.

Right now though I'm in favor of stockpiling DLineman

+1. We can get a CB in the 2nd round who will play at the same level of any CB that will be drafted in the 1st round.
A lot of people think to get an immediate impact corner you have to get them at the top of the 1st round. Well I have family ties to a very very small town in Georgia called Perry. This kid from there name Casey Hayward was just drafted in the second round and he's pretty good. Everyone in this town is practically on a first name basis so I hear about it a lot. He's already won rookie of the month, and he's near the top of the league in ints (5) and deflected passes (16). He would easily be the most consistent, if not the best corner on this team. Even if Wright and Talib was still here. Hopefully we can find us a guy like Casey in the second round.

Agree 100%.  However, I think we need to take one in the first as well.  We need an influx of talent at that position considering Johnson was undrafted, and Lewis/Gorrer are journeymen.  Don't even get me started on Myron Dufus.

I think we will be better suited with signing a FA CB, using the 1st rounder on the best defensive player available, and use 2 of the 2nd-4th round picks on 2 more DBs.

Can't argue that, but which FA CB are you thinking ?

I was wanting DRC well before this past Sunday. I would be ok with Grimes. Maybe Sean Smith, if the fins let him walk. A guy who could be a solid pick up for DB depth is Sheldon Brown. He has had a pretty good year and could be good player for us on something like a 2 year deal.


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#26 : December 13, 2012, 11:08:30 AM

As one of the Nole fans on this board, I can say that Joyner is a great playmaker, and may actually be better suited as a nickle corner at the pro level. He's a ball hawk, with solid speed, leaping ability, and a love to lay the wood. He's a versatile guy that can be tried at the nickle or safetyspots, and is also a really good return man. Would absolutely LOVE that pick.

As far as the pass rush goes, Tank Carradine just had an ACL injury in the game against the Gators, and will probably fall down the draft board because of it. As someone like Bowers, who could rotate in and out, I wouldn't worry too much about the knee. He's a really good pass rusher, and stout against the run. Having Bowers/Claiborne/Bennett/Carradine on the ends would be great.

We could probably trade back and get Carradine and an extra 3rd, and take a CB like Poyer or L. Ryan in the 2nd. I would use my 3rd rounders on either combo of TE/LB or TE/S. that giant from Stanford and Eric Reid would be nice...

Anyways, just throwin that out there.

Edit: looking at mocks, it seems that Tank is seen as a 3rd rd. prospect. Hmm. There are lots of D-Line prospects I like. Gholston from MSU is a giant. Really long with good power, and could possibly play inside as well.

A trade back for Rhodes in the 1st, aquiring an extra 3rd, and doubling up with Carradine/Gholston in the 3rd would be great. Opens up the 2nd rounder for Eric Reid (more likely he goes in the 2nd) as a play maker along side Barron (more run stopper), then go TE/LB with the 2 4ths or Joyner + TE/LB.


We would come away with a corner to start, a safety to start, two pass rushers, a nickle corner, and either a young TE to groom, or a replacement for Q.Black. I would then use rounds 5-7 on home run swings for high potential guys.
: December 13, 2012, 11:22:35 AM ErnieBuc

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#27 : December 13, 2012, 11:51:51 AM

I rather have a DT. McCoy has played way too snaps and Miller is too ineffective on third downs. Hankins was underwhelming this year and took plays off but his talent is unquestioned. Mo would be a good pick in the first but in the 3rd I hope we go after a DT.

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#28 : December 13, 2012, 11:54:15 AM

William Joseph was also taken in round 1.

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#29 : December 13, 2012, 12:01:13 PM

Hate to break McShay's crystal ball, but I think it's highly unlikely that the first 7 picks include 5 DL.  In the past 20+ years,  4 DL been taken in the first 7 picks only one time (and that wasn't a good thing except for the Rams, who got Chris Long). Vernon Gholsten, Sedrick Ellis, and Glenn Dorsey were the other 3.
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