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: December 22, 2012, 01:40:31 PM

This looks promising.

http://lasvegascitylife.com/sections/opinion/knappster/george-knapp-i%E2%80%99m-dreaming-bigfoot-christmas.html

December 05, 2012

George Knapp: Im dreaming of a Bigfoot Christmas

In the darkened elegance of La Scala restaurant, one of the most exhilarating and chilling conversations of my entire life spilled across the table. It happened more than two and a half years ago but is burned into my brain as if it transpired yesterday.

To my left sat a distinguished microbiologist, a scientist whose name is known all over the world but who keeps a low profile in his adopted town of Las Vegas. Two seats to my left was a former cop turned author and Bigfoot researcher named David Paulides. And to my right was Dr. Melba Ketchum, a DNA researcher who found herself in the middle of an unexpected but career-threatening controversy. It involves the hairy gent with Size 18, triple-wide feet, who is known by many names all over the world, but answers most often to his iconic nickname: Bigfoot.

Before I was allowed to see any of the key research material, I had to sign a nondisclosure agreement. I was thrilled to be among the first to see the information, but it has driven me crazy ever since. The only public utterance Ive made is a prediction two years ago during a taping of the KLVX public affairs program Nevada Week in Review. Because of what I learned that fateful night, I made what seemed at the time to be a wacky, off-the-wall prediction during the program that dramatic news would surface sometime in 2011 about the enigmatic beast known as Bigfoot.

Since then, I have been needled relentlessly by my journalism colleagues, including veteran TV host Mitch Fox and fellow panelists Steve Sebelius and Jon Ralston. Oh, the humanity. So wheres the Bigfoot news, they repeatedly asked. I have been unable to answer, and it has been tough.

The well-meaning Dr. Ketchum naively assumed that the world of science would welcome her data with open arms and open minds. Her initial draft of a scientific paper unwisely referred to the existence of a Bigfoot-like creature, and she was certain the information from her study would receive a fair hearing from the scientific world. My friend the microbiologist gave her the sad-but-true news that no mainstream science journal in the world would ever publish a paper, or allow for an honest peer review, of any paper that mentioned Bigfoot or Sasquatch by name. Unlike my TV prediction, that one proved prescient in the extreme.

In the ensuing years, there have been numerous attempts to sabotage and backstab Ketchums project. Leaks appeared in scientific forums online in an apparent attempt to torpedo her credibility even before the studys findings were made public. The Bigfoot community has been even more vicious, mostly because so many of the true believers have staked out their own turf and do not want to see a scientific interloper like Ketchum upstage their often ridiculous assertions or to undercut public interest in the 800 or so cable TV shows about the search for Bigfoot.

The only reason I am able to say anything about the study is that Dr. Ketchum unwisely responded a few weeks ago to a spurious report from a Russian scientist about the findings. Ketchum confirmed that she has overseen the analysis of dozens of hair samples collected at the sites of alleged Bigfoot sightings. Those people who do not want the study to be true and dont want to wait for results to be verified have teed off on Ketchum, have carved up her study, and have made it almost impossible for anyone to take the results seriously, even though not one of the critics have seen the actual data. Dr. Ketchum insists that a major science journal is concluding a rigorous review of her work and will publish the paper once the process is completed. I am not holding my breath.

Here is what I can say legally, now that Ketchum has lifted the cone of silence: Scores of hair samples were sent to a dozen well-respected DNA labs across the country. The people at the labs werent told anything about the samples. They performed DNA analysis in the blind, then sent the remarkable findings back to Ketchum. Ill put it this way this is **CENSORED**y stuff. The results are unequivocal: The hairs are not only from an unknown species, but they show a common link to humans. In other words, whatever these creatures are, they share a common ancestry with humans dating back about 15,000 years. Half of the DNA in the samples is simply unknown. The blind tests conducted by various labs weeded out known species such as bears or wolves. And in the end, they were left with the completely uncomfortable conclusion that the hairs came from a primate species previously unknown to science.

Since Dr. Ketchum made her premature defense of the study, responding to unfortunate leaks, an army of armchair critics have already dismissed the results without waiting to see the actual data. Thats not the way science is supposed to work, but it is exactly how modern science operates. Its as much a religion as Catholicism or Mormonism, and anything that falls outside the accepted scriptures must be ridiculed.

All I can say is, why not wait until the raw information and DNA test results are made public before making pronouncements or reaching conclusions? I have been dying to say something about the study, especially because of the cruel taunting of Fox, Sebelius and Ralston, and because you know the world might end on December 21. (Nevada has had a smattering of Bigfoot sightings over the years, including a dramatic episode in January 1980 at the Nevada Test Site, of all places.) I am well aware of how goofy this must sound, but there is some compelling physical evidence to consider. Maybe it will receive a fair and open peer review, and maybe it wont. Until we know, why not keep our minds open? It is exciting stuff to consider. If confirmed, it changes everything.

It should surprise no one that our little town played its own role in this weird, unfolding drama.

GEORGE KNAPP is a Peabody Award-winning investigative reporter for KLAS Channel 8. Reach him at gknapp@klastv.com

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#1 : December 22, 2012, 02:21:32 PM


And here's a very skeptical look at the claim...

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2012/11/like-omg-scientists-have-sequenced-bigfoot-dna/

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#2 : December 22, 2012, 03:21:22 PM


If you're interested in this kind of stuff, check out this 30 min interview Knapp did with former cop and current Bigfoot researcher, David Paulides. He's involved
with the current study.


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#3 : December 22, 2012, 10:04:31 PM

 Very interesting, I read the initial reporting of Ketchum's findings as well as that idiotic sceptic follow up you've posted. But now comes this piece written by Knapp which I had not read. Knapp (as you know) is generally accepted as a credible journalist despite much of the subject matter he covers. If what he said about the results being unequivocal are accurate that indeed would be mind blowing.

I had an experience many years ago myself that I have never been able to figure out.  I didn't actually see something, but what I heard caused four people without saying a word to each other bolt for the car and leave in a big hurry.

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#4 : December 23, 2012, 12:14:11 PM

Very interesting, I read the initial reporting of Ketchum's findings as well as that idiotic sceptic follow up you've posted. But now comes this piece written by Knapp which I had not read. Knapp (as you know) is generally accepted as a credible journalist despite much of the subject matter he covers. If what he said about the results being unequivocal are accurate that indeed would be mind blowing.

I had an experience many years ago myself that I have never been able to figure out.  I didn't actually see something, but what I heard caused four people without saying a word to each other bolt for the car and leave in a big hurry.

Knapp's article really got my attention. But maybe Knapp jumped the gun? I don't know. We'll see when the science is made public.

Where were you when your experience happened?

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#5 : December 23, 2012, 01:38:33 PM

It was north of the Tampa Bay area and it happened in about 1980-81. We were in a heavily wooded area and surrounded by a deep, thick growth of healthy young scrub oaks which ranged (roughly) in height of about 10-15 feet and were at least (I think) 3-4 inches in diameter at their base.

What we  heard was the sound of those trees being snapped in half. A very loud snapping. Not trampled upon (by a stray cow), not climbed upon (by a bear) but snapped...not just the sound of a couple of trees snapping but numerous trees. In rapid succession.

To this day we don't know what caused it.  But none of us said a single word as we all raced to the car and got the hell out of there. We knew inherently that whatever was causing that loud, successive snapping was of greater strength than any of us could explain...... It was very strange.
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Of course Knapp could be going beyond here. But the DNA research is interesting.

Identifying mitochondrial DNA but not the nuclear DNA (if I understood him correctly) is interesting.



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#6 : December 24, 2012, 12:55:17 AM

Knapp is hosting C2C tonight with an update on the story. The doctor in question, Melba Ketchum, is the guest. Hope for some clarity. If you miss it, I'm sure there will be
a post of it on Youtube soon. I'll find it and post it here.

Statement from Ketchum from earlier this month...

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/12/dr-melba-ketchum-our-science-is.html

I really appreciate all of the support. Let the hecklers have their day, who cares. Our science is overkilled beyond reason. After all they accepted a new species of monkey (below) with less than 6.8 kilobases of sequence. Our mito alone is 16.5 Kb on the samples. Our nuclear is 3 genomes from three individuals and is 3 Terabytes of data and billions of bases plus a lot of other testing and disciplines. We also used blind studies. I don't care what anyone says, we have this nailed and it will come out. The journal just has to have the guts to go where no journal has gone before. I personally believe that they will do it.
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About the journal, it is in review. So far no indication of rejection as they did take it. Just waiting on the reviewers.... All will reveal itself in due time.

- Dr. Melba Ketchum
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#7 : December 24, 2012, 01:16:52 AM


Another good one...

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/bigfoot-update-melba-ketchum-to-release-high-definition-video-of-sasquatch/2012/12/13

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#8 : December 24, 2012, 09:55:19 AM

From last night's show, which I haven't listened to yet...



He starts the show off with a blurb on it and then it starts 41:00 in...

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#9 : December 25, 2012, 12:27:21 AM

Would be amazing if true, although these folks are going out of their way to discredit her for promoting her findings before having them Confirmed & published by her peers. Sounds fishy to me, we shall see

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#10 : December 25, 2012, 01:58:29 PM

Would be amazing if true, although these folks are going out of their way to discredit her for promoting her findings before having them Confirmed & published by her peers. Sounds fishy to me, we shall see

What sounds fishy?

If the DNA results show what she claims, it doesn't matter what she says or when she says it. Maybe it pisses off the journal and they reject it. But eventually, that won't matter. Others scientists will be able to look at the data and tell us what it shows.

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#11 : December 25, 2012, 10:06:55 PM

Listening to the interview Ketchum sounds very confident, If her research holds up it would be a monumental discovery.

I noticed her NDNA assertion is somewhat similar to the opinions made by Lloyd Pye on this specific aspect.

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#12 : December 25, 2012, 11:12:25 PM

Would be amazing if true, although these folks are going out of their way to discredit her for promoting her findings before having them Confirmed & published by her peers. Sounds fishy to me, we shall see

What sounds fishy?

If the DNA results show what she claims, it doesn't matter what she says or when she says it. Maybe it pisses off the journal and they reject it. But eventually, that won't matter. Others scientists will be able to look at the data and tell us what it shows.

I look forward to the results

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#13 : December 26, 2012, 10:11:57 AM

Wow, I figured people would be running with this but really?  15,000 year old hybridization? Tough sell. We have fully human hairs not human like human so we have gotten human samples. Then we have something else in there Ketchum can't ID.

Now Ketchum is not only theorizing that an unknown primate (Bigfoot) exists but that another unknown primate (the one that mated with humans 15,000 years ago to create bigfoot) exists. You've got to have a primate that existed in north america < 15000 years ago for which there is no evidence of any primate in NA other than humans. That primate has to be capable of mating with humans, creating viable offspring (which means this isn't one mating that took place but would have to be substantial cross species mating). We can't successfully mate with Chimps so you've got to have something closer than that.


All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#14 : December 26, 2012, 11:54:53 AM

I have some in-laws that no doubt must be bigtoe decendants.......
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