Jason Pierre Paul - Overrated?

[GameTime]

just looking at the statline...is he overrated?  incredible season last year...sandwiched between mediocre.   still would love to have him, but not as impressed as i thought i was.

[Biggs3535]

JPP had a great year, it just didn't show up in the sacks column.  He was an animal against the run and pressured the QB at a very high rate.

[Feel Real Good]

JPP had a great year, it just didn't show up in the sacks column.  He was an animal against the run and pressured the QB at a very high rate.

This.

The same happened in 2009 with John Abraham. Everyone thought he was washed up because he only had 5.5 sacks, but he still had a ton of pressures. The QB just found a way to sneak away from a few rushes that would normally be good enough to get a sack and then the next year he got 13.0 sacks. If you get a lot of pressures, most of the time you're going to get a lot of sacks but sometimes you get unlucky. Things usually have a way of correcting themselves the next year.

[GameTime]

so when clayborn was playing this year, was he having a good year?

[Biggs3535]

so when clayborn was playing this year, was he having a good year?

Not really.

[Feel Real Good]

so when clayborn was playing this year, was he having a good year?

PFF credited Clayborn with 5 pressures in 187 snaps. That 1 pressure every 37 snaps. The top DE's get 1 pressure about every 20 snaps. Last year Clayborn averaged 1 pressure every 27 snaps, so he was not off to a good start this season.

[GameTime]

gotcha, thanks.  what was JPP's pressure per snaps?

[Biggs3535]

gotcha, thanks.  what was JPP's pressure per snaps?

7 sacks
4 hits
44 hurries

55 Total Pressures in 469 pass rush snaps = 1 Pressure every 8.5 snaps

[Feel Real Good]

gotcha, thanks.  what was JPP's pressure per snaps?

7 sacks
4 hits
44 hurries

55 Total Pressures in 469 pass rush snaps = 1 Pressure every 8.5 snaps

I did the other calculations by total snaps, which JPP had 847. So going by the same metric I used for Clayborn, JPP was at 1 pressure every 19 snaps.

[Tampa-Two]

gotcha, thanks.  what was JPP's pressure per snaps?

7 sacks
4 hits
44 hurries

55 Total Pressures in 469 pass rush snaps = 1 Pressure every 8.5 snaps

I did the other calculations by total snaps, which JPP had 847. So going by the same metric I used for Clayborn, JPP was at 1 pressure every 19 snaps.

Except he didn't rush the quarterback on rushing downs so your calculations don't make any sense.

[Feel Real Good]

gotcha, thanks.  what was JPP's pressure per snaps?

7 sacks
4 hits
44 hurries

55 Total Pressures in 469 pass rush snaps = 1 Pressure every 8.5 snaps

I did the other calculations by total snaps, which JPP had 847. So going by the same metric I used for Clayborn, JPP was at 1 pressure every 19 snaps.

Except he didn't rush the quarterback on rushing downs so your calculations don't make any sense.

I understand. It was just for simplicity as the page I was looking at had total snaps and not run/pass. But either way regular starters see roughly the same ratio of run-to-pass no matter what team they're on, so it's still an apples to apples comparison. However you slice it, Clayborn was not getting pressure at a high rate and JPP was.

[bradentonian]

Clayborn was not good before his injury, but Bennett's numbers are on par with JPP

[Sailing2smth]

I don't really agree with looking at stat lines when it comes to DE/DT all that much, there is much more that happens in the trenches then most fans know because we are not on the ground.  That said, yeah JPP did not have as many sacks this year as he did last year, he is still an elite DE that most teams would covet.