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#90 : January 18, 2013, 11:04:01 AM


"It's not me, it's the rest of the world." It does take a serious will of conviction to maintain such a belief.

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#91 : January 19, 2013, 07:37:30 AM

LOL....wow. That last response to John Galt was a complete clusterf*ck. No where in it does he do anything besides weaken his case that you can divide the entire political spectrum into two categories. I won't even bother responding to it further , because it's idiocy speaks for itself.

Anyone with half a brain knows that a spectrum that places everyone into two categories is ridiculous . Once again , the real spectrum looks something like this:


This is the 2nd time you've posted this diagram, Delirious. Any idea what it's called? It's called a Nolan Chart. Do you know who created the Nolan Chart, by chance? David Nolan, one of the founders of the Libertarian Party. This was a completely manufactured chart in which, in attempting to define Libertarianism, Nolan completely redefined other ideologies to fit around it.

For example, in Nolan's original chart, Populism was on the bottom of the spectrum, indistinguishable from totalitarianism, shown to be the polar opposite of Libertarianism. Even on your chart, populism is almost a polar opposite to Libertarianism, and exists right next to Totalitarianism. Populism is not the opposite of Libertarianism, and it most certainly is no where near similar to totalitarianism. The very definition of the two terms puts them in opposition to one another:

Populism: A political philosophy supporting the rights and power of the people in their struggle against the privileged elite.

Authoritarianism: of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.

In no way, shape, or form should populism be anywhere near authoritarianism on a political spectrum. If anything, Libertarianism itself is in some ways, a form of populism. This alone makes his chart look like a complete joke, as it expresses his own biases, and a lack of personal understanding of what he attempts to define to others. But keep flying that Nolan Chart flag, Delirious. If nothing else, it makes you look like exactly what you are. A clueless fool.

As for the" Everyone is Conservative or Liberal spectrum" . It doesn't exist in any credible study of political science .  It exists only in comrade CBW's mind. Most contain the 4 quadrant type spectrum I favor , fewer use a straight line going from extreme left to extreme right.  None use Conservative and Liberal as the end all be all of either side and place all other radical belief systems under those two specific philosophies alone. Don't believe me ? Try and google it just for laughs .

Most do not contain the Nolan model that you favor. The linear "right-left" spectrum is the most common one in use, you idiot. Even among those sites that promote the Nolan model, they say as much. Stop making stuff up.


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#92 : January 19, 2013, 07:39:09 AM


"It's not me, it's the rest of the world." It does take a serious will of conviction to maintain such a belief.

Oh, it's not the rest of the world. Just the same circle-jerk gang on a football message board. Don't even attempt to suggest that "the rest of the world" shares your views. The vast majority don't.


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#93 : January 19, 2013, 08:36:54 AM



 The linear "right-left" spectrum is the most common one in use, you idiot. Even among those sites that promote the Nolan model, they say as much. Stop making stuff up.

The 4 quadrant spectrum is not exclusive to Nolan , comrade , his is just a version of this more accurate model for framing the spectrum , which I posted as an example. Others which are similiar can be found all over the internet and being taught in political science classes. Unfortunetly for you , anyway you slice it doesn't change the fact that you're a floundering dumb ass of epic proportions , because YOUR spectrum does not exist.

You don't even use the straight line right-left spectrum , which usually looks something like this:

If you did , it would at least give you some semblance of credibility .You use the imaginery "EVERYONE is either Conservative or Liberal " spectrum , which is a ridiculous fabrication of your tiny mind.  " Stop making stuff up ".










LOL. This is great by the way. A smarter person would have realized they lost this debate and slunk off to let it be forgotten about. Not you. Keep it up comrade , you give us all someone to laugh at.
: January 19, 2013, 09:02:36 AM Fire Mark Dummynik

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#94 : January 19, 2013, 08:46:35 AM


"It's not me, it's the rest of the world." It does take a serious will of conviction to maintain such a belief.

Oh, it's not the rest of the world. Just the same circle-jerk gang on a football message board. Don't even attempt to suggest that "the rest of the world" shares your views. The vast majority don't.


The vast majority of the rest of the world thinks the entire human race is either Liberal or Conservative. It's this message board who is crazy ...



: January 19, 2013, 08:48:40 AM Fire Mark Dummynik

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#95 : January 19, 2013, 10:22:20 AM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

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#96 : January 19, 2013, 04:29:51 PM



 The linear "right-left" spectrum is the most common one in use, you idiot. Even among those sites that promote the Nolan model, they say as much. Stop making stuff up.

The 4 quadrant spectrum is not exclusive to Nolan , comrade , his is just a version of this more accurate model for framing the spectrum , which I posted as an example. Others which are similiar can be found all over the internet and being taught in political science classes.

The ideas behind the creation of the bi-linear spectrum began to surface in the late-60's/early 70's among Libertarian philosophers. The bi-linear spectrum is almost exclusively championed by Libertarians. Nolan's chart serves as the definitive model used, all other versions simply tweaking around the edges his original publication. Nolan's Chart is taught in political science classes in the same way that any political theory is taught in political science class. His chart is taught as a version of the political spectrum, not as THE political spectrum, you idiot. The linear model is the most long standing and is still the most commonly used spectrum.

Unfortunetly for you , anyway you slice it doesn't change the fact that you're a floundering dumb ass of epic proportions , because YOUR spectrum does not exist.

You don't even use the straight line right-left spectrum , which usually looks something like this:

If you did , it would at least give you some semblance of credibility .You use the imaginery "EVERYONE is either Conservative or Liberal " spectrum , which is a ridiculous fabrication of your tiny mind.  " Stop making stuff up ".

Stop Googling images of political spectrum and presenting them as some sort of definitive proof of anything. I can make up a spectrum today with dumb ass on one end and smart ass on the other end, label it as a "political spectrum", post it on the internet, and your Google image search would pull it up. What you pull up in your Google image search is not indicative of what is being taught in political science classes, moron. It means nothing.

As I stated earlier, the term "left wing" is just another word for liberal and "right wing" is just another word for conservative, so any spectrum you pull up that is linear and uses a "left-right" model IS the straight line spectrum I am suggesting is the most common spectrum taught. '

Quote from: Dictionary.com
Right Wing - The conservative or reactionary faction of a group.
Left Wing - The liberal or radical faction of a group.

A smarter person would have realized they lost this debate and slunk off to let it be forgotten about.

Agreed, but we both know that you're not that smart.
: January 19, 2013, 04:31:37 PM CBWx2


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#97 : January 19, 2013, 05:19:36 PM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?


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#98 : January 19, 2013, 05:55:07 PM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?
It's because we are extreme liberals = a.k.a anarchists. Why else would we associate with conservatives?


Just face it , comrade. Nobody likes a government dependent socialist pig except your fellow totalitarians.



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#99 : January 19, 2013, 05:58:23 PM



 The linear "right-left" spectrum is the most common one in use, you idiot. Even among those sites that promote the Nolan model, they say as much. Stop making stuff up.

The 4 quadrant spectrum is not exclusive to Nolan , comrade , his is just a version of this more accurate model for framing the spectrum , which I posted as an example. Others which are similiar can be found all over the internet and being taught in political science classes.

The ideas behind the creation of the bi-linear spectrum began to surface in the late-60's/early 70's among Libertarian philosophers. The bi-linear spectrum is almost exclusively championed by Libertarians. Nolan's chart serves as the definitive model used, all other versions simply tweaking around the edges his original publication. Nolan's Chart is taught in political science classes in the same way that any political theory is taught in political science class. His chart is taught as a version of the political spectrum, not as THE political spectrum, you idiot. The linear model is the most long standing and is still the most commonly used spectrum.

Unfortunetly for you , anyway you slice it doesn't change the fact that you're a floundering dumb ass of epic proportions , because YOUR spectrum does not exist.

You don't even use the straight line right-left spectrum , which usually looks something like this:

If you did , it would at least give you some semblance of credibility .You use the imaginery "EVERYONE is either Conservative or Liberal " spectrum , which is a ridiculous fabrication of your tiny mind.  " Stop making stuff up ".

Stop Googling images of political spectrum and presenting them as some sort of definitive proof of anything. I can make up a spectrum today with dumb ass on one end and smart ass on the other end, label it as a "political spectrum", post it on the internet, and your Google image search would pull it up. What you pull up in your Google image search is not indicative of what is being taught in political science classes, moron. It means nothing.

As I stated earlier, the term "left wing" is just another word for liberal and "right wing" is just another word for conservative, so any spectrum you pull up that is linear and uses a "left-right" model IS the straight line spectrum I am suggesting is the most common spectrum taught. '



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#100 : January 19, 2013, 06:07:47 PM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?
It's because we are extreme liberals = a.k.a anarchists. Why else would we associate with conservatives?


Just face it , comrade. Nobody likes a government dependent socialist pig except your fellow totalitarians.

Why are you dancing around the question instead of answering it? Is it because the answer dictates the true nature of the Libertarian, and that Libertarianism is nothing more than a version of conservatism in the American political construct?

Surrender noted.


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#101 : January 19, 2013, 06:23:08 PM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?
It's because we are extreme liberals = a.k.a anarchists. Why else would we associate with conservatives?


Just face it , comrade. Nobody likes a government dependent socialist pig except your fellow totalitarians.

Why are you dancing around the question instead of answering it? Is it because the answer dictates the true nature of the Libertarian, and that Libertarianism is nothing more than a version of conservatism in the American political construct?

Surrender noted.

You already answered the question for everyone when you called me an anarchist in another thread. Anarchists are liberals , remember ?? Extreme liberals in fact.

The fact that you seem to think you are making some great point , when in actuality you've only exposed the flaw in your own simplistic spectrum , is laughable.



....and yes, your surrender is noted.

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#102 : January 19, 2013, 08:23:37 PM


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?

Because Libertarians believe in individual rigths and Democrats believe in group identity.

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#103 : January 19, 2013, 09:17:55 PM

You already answered the question for everyone when you called me an anarchist in another thread. Anarchists are liberals , remember ?? Extreme liberals in fact.

They are. In Europe, you would be considered a liberal extremist, and I would be considered a liberal centrist. But we live in America, and when I call you a conservative, I am doing so within the framework of the culture in which we live. The definition of "conservative" and "liberal" within a particular society doesn't signify that anything more than a "left-right" spectrum is necessary. That is a concept created by Libertarians who wished to fabricated their own definition for their ideology. All it signifies is that the makeup of the "left-right" spectrum will differ in terminology from one society to the next.

The fact that you seem to think you are making some great point , when in actuality you've only exposed the flaw in your own simplistic spectrum , is laughable.

No, what's laughable is the fact that you are too stupid to realize that there is no flaw in my simplistic spectrum. If there was a complete ideological divide between American conservatives and Libertarians, then it would be a completely unfathomable reality that they would share so many common goals and values, and work together so uniformly to achieve them. The fact that this is the case between Libertarians and American conservatives only strengthens my assertions, you moron, it doesn't  weaken them.

The issues that separate American conservatives from Libertarians are widely secondary to the ones that unite them, and that is their view on what the role of government is. If individuals of such differing social opinions can unite around that common thread so uniformly, then that is the thread that defines them as a cohesive group. You can dance around the facts all you want and pretend there is more nuance than there really is if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't change the reality, only your perception, Delirious.


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#104 : January 20, 2013, 08:57:22 AM

You already answered the question for everyone when you called me an anarchist in another thread. Anarchists are liberals , remember ?? Extreme liberals in fact.

They are. In Europe, you would be considered a liberal extremist, and I would be considered a liberal centrist. But we live in America, and when I call you a conservative, I am doing so within the framework of my complete ignorance , stupidity , and inability to see the world outside of a simpleton's perspective.



Fixed it for you.

You are in full spin mode now , lol. Once again , an utterly ridiculous answer . Basically you are telling us that in one argument against me you decided you would randomly speak from a European perspective , and from the other you were speaking from an American perspective. Everyone on the entire planet is still either liberal or conservative , however liberal and conservative can mean thousands of different things depending on where you are. Therefore your argument makes perfect sense. What a wonderfully convenient mess. Thank you black hole.


Let's clear this up:
1. I don't care what continent you live on , only a nitwit thinks the entire political spectrum is either conservative or liberal. Your spectrum is a joke in Europe , and it's a joke in the United States .

2. The purpose of a spectrum is to list a broad sequence or range of related qualities, ideas, or activities . If the only colors you see are black and white , then there's no need for a color spectrum . There's just black or white. You're to stupid to even realize that you've defeated the need to even have a spectrum if you are correct.

3. LEFT and RIGHT are the sides of the spectrum , not Liberal and Conservative . They are not one in the same  , no matter how you try and spin it. One simply describes a direction , the others describes an ideology. Liberal and Conservatives , no matter which continent you are referring to them from , have a specific set of ideals . These ideals differ greatly from those at the end of the spectrum you assign them to . A liberal from any country does not have the same beliefs as a totalitarian or an anarchist. A conservative from any country does not have the same beliefs as an totalitarian or an anarchist.  Only a simpleton in the midst of trying to salvage a horrible argument would attempt to bunch them all under the same more moderate title.

You're an idiot , comrade.  I can't believe I am even having to make an argument that everyone on the board knows is common sense except for you.  ::)
: January 20, 2013, 09:37:43 AM Fire Mark Dummynik

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