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« #105 : January 20, 2013, 09:18:27 AM »


That's because they're "free thinkers."

Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?

Because Libertarians believe in individual rigths and Democrats believe in group identity.

Correct. Lesser of two evils , basically. It's really not that difficult to understand is it ?

The simpleton doesn't seem to grasp the fact that , due to the rigged political system in this country , it's nearly impossible to get elected unless you are a member of one of the two parties. The simpleton also doesn't seem to understand that you can be a member of a party while having vastly different principles than the base of that party. Just watch any debate containing Ron Paul for confirmation. There was more glaring differences between Paul and Romney in the primaries than there were between Romney and Obama in the general.


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« #106 : January 20, 2013, 10:26:40 AM »

"Why is it that Libertarians identify with and run as Republicans, and never as Democrats?"

Regardless of their reasons it doesn't seem to be working.


Why does the Liberals vote for any Democrat, no matter how right wing they may be?

Because a Democrat w/ a political conscience is an oxymoron.
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« #107 : January 20, 2013, 04:02:12 PM »


Why does the Liberals vote for any Democrat, no matter how right wing they may be?


Like whom? People bemoan the lack of "moderates" in the Republican Party, but Democrats themselves have done a pretty good job of expunging anything that remotely looks like a moderate from their party. There are a few hangers on from so called Red States, but most Dems these days are pretty hard core left.

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« #108 : January 21, 2013, 09:20:58 AM »

You are in full spin mode now , lol. Once again , an utterly ridiculous answer . Basically you are telling us that in one argument against me you decided you would randomly speak from a European perspective , and from the other you were speaking from an American perspective. Everyone on the entire planet is still either liberal or conservative , however liberal and conservative can mean thousands of different things depending on where you are. Therefore your argument makes perfect sense. What a wonderfully convenient mess. Thank you black hole.

It actually only has a different meaning in America, smart one, and that's because of the unique American tradition in which it has never been a monarchy or under authoritarian rule, therefor what constitutes a conservative here is not the same as what constitutes one in other countries that have. America was founded on the principles of liberalism, and American politics has always been a struggle between various liberal factions since it's inception. Because all spectrums are made up of left and right, liberal and conservative, is the very reason conservatives are called conservatives here, and not some other made up term. What you fail to realize, Delirious, is the existence of this very fact is why I am right.

Let's clear this up:
1. I don't care what continent you live on , only a nitwit thinks the entire political spectrum is either conservative or liberal. Your spectrum is a joke in Europe , and it's a joke in the United States .

Then why do they all use that spectrum there, and here? Oh yeah, all except for the Libertarians, who want to make up a new one because they seem to think that they are reinventing the wheel whenever they come up with any concept, when in actuality, they are just regurgitating tried and failed memes of the past..

2. The purpose of a spectrum is to list a broad sequence or range of related qualities, ideas, or activities . If the only colors you see are black and white , then there's no need for a color spectrum . There's just black or white. You're to stupid to even realize that you've defeated the need to even have a spectrum if you are correct.

Just because a spectrum is made up of just two sides doesn't mean that it cannot list a broad sequence of qualities and ideas, you moron. There are two sides, not two ideologies.

3. LEFT and RIGHT are the sides of the spectrum , not Liberal and Conservative . They are not one in the same  , no matter how you try and spin it. One simply describes a direction , the others describes an ideology.

The term "left" and "right" in politics does not simply describe a direction. That is perhaps the most idiotic thing you've said. Well, today at least. Those terms originated in 19th century France to categorize the two factions vying for political supremacy during the French Revolution. Those who sat on the right side of the president of Parliament were conservatives, those who sat on the left side were liberals. Those terms don't just arbitrarily describe a direction, they are the base term for the various list of ideologies that populate that side of the spectrum.

Liberal and Conservatives , no matter which continent you are referring to them from , have a specific set of ideals . These ideals differ greatly from those at the end of the spectrum you assign them to . A liberal from any country does not have the same beliefs as a totalitarian or an anarchist. A conservative from any country does not have the same beliefs as an totalitarian or an anarchist.  Only a simpleton in the midst of trying to salvage a horrible argument would attempt to bunch them all under the same more moderate title.

You are 100% wrong. The purpose of a spectrum is to categorize various philosophies that share a common thread or set of values. "Conservatism" doesn't define one ideology in any society. Not in this one, not in any one. It is a wide ranging list of many ideologies, each representing various degrees. The same goes for "Liberal". All one need do is look up the definition of each term to see that each is far more ambiguous than the definition of any specific ideology is, which is why your assertion that they represent a specific ideology separate from those further up or down their side of the spectrum is utter nonsensical idiocy.


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« #109 : January 21, 2013, 04:24:58 PM »





LOL , the spin literally never ends. Eventually you just have to see the futility of debating a mindless black hole , laugh , and move on . The ridiculous "everyone is conservative or liberal " premise was destroyed on page 2 , no reason to enable a nitwit to spin the nonsense on for 100 more pages .

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« #110 : January 21, 2013, 05:27:49 PM »

Why not?  He has spun crap for over 40 pages on more than one occasion.

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« #111 : January 21, 2013, 05:59:23 PM »


Fascism - It is a radical conservative ideology.  Fascism believes in a strict control of the means of production, which is clearly NOT a conservative view. And the most famous Fascist group was the National Socialist German Workers' Party and those bold words don't seem very conservative, but actually liberal.

You are confusing American conservatism with actual conservatism. In the global political spectrum, conservatism = more government control. Fascism is an authoritarian philosophy, which is extreme conservatism.


Sorry Dude you are flat out wrong, except for the first part of Fascism. The closest the Nazi's got to conservatism is they ostensibly believed in private property rights and freedom of contracts.

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« #112 : January 21, 2013, 08:41:31 PM »


Fascism - It is a radical conservative ideology.  Fascism believes in a strict control of the means of production, which is clearly NOT a conservative view. And the most famous Fascist group was the National Socialist German Workers' Party and those bold words don't seem very conservative, but actually liberal.

You are confusing American conservatism with actual conservatism. In the global political spectrum, conservatism = more government control. Fascism is an authoritarian philosophy, which is extreme conservatism.


Sorry Dude you are flat out wrong, except for the first part of Fascism. The closest the Nazi's got to conservatism is they ostensibly believed in private property rights and freedom of contracts.

The party was founded out of the far-right racist (völkisch) German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist (Freikorps) paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.


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« #113 : January 21, 2013, 09:00:50 PM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

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« #114 : January 21, 2013, 09:16:31 PM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

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« #115 : January 21, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

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You made a deal w/ the devil and only you can undo it.


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« #116 : January 21, 2013, 10:23:20 PM »


Fascism - It is a radical conservative ideology.  Fascism believes in a strict control of the means of production, which is clearly NOT a conservative view. And the most famous Fascist group was the National Socialist German Workers' Party and those bold words don't seem very conservative, but actually liberal.

You are confusing American conservatism with actual conservatism. In the global political spectrum, conservatism = more government control. Fascism is an authoritarian philosophy, which is extreme conservatism.


Sorry Dude you are flat out wrong, except for the first part of Fascism. The closest the Nazi's got to conservatism is they ostensibly believed in private property rights and freedom of contracts.

The party was founded out of the far-right racist (völkisch) German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist (Freikorps) paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.

Which is what I said. NATIONALIST movement.

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« #117 : January 21, 2013, 10:27:45 PM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

I love you too, Durango.

You made a deal w/ the devil and only you can undo it.

Vinbuc?

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« #118 : January 22, 2013, 07:04:49 AM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

I love you too, Durango.

You made a deal w/ the devil and only you can undo it.

Vinbuc?

LOL !

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« #119 : January 22, 2013, 11:05:59 AM »

War mongering hypocritical scum.

I love you too, Durango.

You made a deal w/ the devil and only you can undo it.

Vinbuc?


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