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#30 : January 14, 2013, 06:18:57 PM

Maybe we should design more runs for Freeman next year.
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A) He successfully picks up some firsts and extends some drives...
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B) He does get hurt, and we can start moving on.

Totally conservative football is boring and doesn't usually get you to the playoffs.

Freeman doesn't need designed runs, that's not his game.  He isn't Kap, or Wilson or RGIII.  What he needs to to is make the choice himself to run more when it would help.  If he is physically unable that's fine and we just cross mobility off his list of assets.  If it's mental he needs to either get over his fear (if it's fear) or stop trying to force himself to be something he isn't (a pocket QB) and play to his strengths. 


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#31 : January 14, 2013, 06:49:35 PM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.


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#32 : January 14, 2013, 07:01:43 PM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.

I agree with this, to an extent at least.  I don't buy the excuse portion of "learning a new offense" though, that's really not an explanation for his flaws.  I really think Josh just can't figure it out and is determinedly following the wrong path.  He does play his best when he is just being instinctive.  And doing that more will only help him.  He does struggle with processing info, and he should have learned how to read a defense by now. 

I have to admit I am very worried it might be fear.  Not that I am claiming it is fear, but it certainly does have some of the earmarks of it. He already shows "happy feet" which in him manifests in his forcing throws rather than scrambling.  If he's so mobile, why does he not try and leverage that instead of just trying to get rid of the ball?  I really can't see any coach saying, "no Josh, don't try and scramble away if there is pressure, just chuck it to VJax, even if he's triple covered".  The only other concern is that it is something physical, like an undisclosed injury or illness.


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#33 : January 14, 2013, 08:20:51 PM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.

I agree with this, to an extent at least.  I don't buy the excuse portion of "learning a new offense" though, that's really not an explanation for his flaws.  I really think Josh just can't figure it out and is determinedly following the wrong path.  He does play his best when he is just being instinctive.  And doing that more will only help him.  He does struggle with processing info, and he should have learned how to read a defense by now. 

I have to admit I am very worried it might be fear.  Not that I am claiming it is fear, but it certainly does have some of the earmarks of it. He already shows "happy feet" which in him manifests in his forcing throws rather than scrambling.  If he's so mobile, why does he not try and leverage that instead of just trying to get rid of the ball?  I really can't see any coach saying, "no Josh, don't try and scramble away if there is pressure, just chuck it to VJax, even if he's triple covered".  The only other concern is that it is something physical, like an undisclosed injury or illness.



That thought crossed my mind.  But why wouldn't they release that info now that the season is over.


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#34 : January 14, 2013, 08:21:53 PM

This cannot be overstated. Freeman has to run more. He kept so many drives alive with ball breaking runs in 2010.

I agree!

Apparently Schiano would prefer he wear a knee brace and stay in the pocket. It's been widely reported that Schiano doesn't want Freeman running.

I follow the team pretty closely and I've never heard mention of him not wanting Freeman to run. He makes the QB's wear a knee brace to try and avoid roll injuries.

I saw something where he doesnt mind if he runs but he doesnt want him running alot because the more that happens the more likely he is to sustain a big hit that could cause injury. He just doesnt want him trying to be Vick or RG3. Running a lot and taking big hits. If anything Freeman should learn how to avoid the big hit when running. You cant avoid it all the time but you can be more aware out there. I think they should allow him to do what hes good at. Getting out of the pocket and making things happen. Thats what he did in 2010. Get back to that with the good from this season and I think he can be a very solid QB here.

This decline in mobility started long before Rutgers got here. 

Year    Team                                      G    Att    Att/G Yds    Avg    Yds/G    
2012    Tampa Bay Buccaneers    16    39    2.4    139    3.6    8.7    0    
2011    Tampa Bay Buccaneers    15    55    3.7    238    4.3    15.9    
2010    Tampa Bay Buccaneers    16    68    4.2    364    5.4    22.8    
2009    Tampa Bay Buccaneers    10    30    3.0    161    5.4    16.1
   


Each year he has run less, and less effectively.  You can also see a difference when he runs, is is nowhere near as fluid, and nowhere near as aggressive.  There's a bigger issue there IMO, either mental or physical.

What? Each year he has run less? What I see is an increase from 2009's attempts (4.2 and 3.7 attempts is still 4 attempts IRL) and yardage and then a steep drop-off in 2012. There hasn't been a steady decline, it's a clear sharp drop off. THere's no other way to explain it other than this is how they've asked him to play, (ie minimal to no ad libbing). Someone said it's fear...again how? He has shpown throughout his career both in the NFL and in college that he's not afraid to tuck the ball and run, and not only run but look to run a defender over. Why would he now be fearful? It doesn't add up, which brings me back to him doing what the coaching staff has asked. Remember "toes on the line"? That's who his coach is (no knock on Schiano).

Um, no, 4.2 and 3.7 are not the same "IRL".  They are different.  13 less runs over the course of a season.  And his yards/per is the more telling stat as it has decreased pretty consistently over the last two years as well.  The yards per also give you a better idea of how effectively he is running rather than attempts.  He is not as effective, period.  It's very obvious when you watch him try and run now.  And there have been many times over last year and 2011 where he would have been better off running it and simply did not, this too has been pretty obvious.

Either he can't run, or he doesn't want to. Either way, his mobility is no longer a big factor in his game.  Which is a shame, because for a deep-ball QB like Josh, mobility is a tremendous asset.

We're splitting hairs here, 3.7 is closer to 4 than 3 per game; just as 4.2 is closer to 4 than 5 per game. Either way if you apply it over the course of 16 games it works out to a difference of 8 attempts, not 13. There is no gradual decline though doc. You see a sharp increase from year one to year two, a small drop off from year two to three and then the bottom fallls out in year four. But why?

Again, why is mobility no longer a threat in his game? Why does he not want to run? He certainly is capable, but what is the reasoning? I like the idea that it's paralysis by analysis as Dolorous stated, but part of me still says that he's being restricted. Not necessarily a "don't run" instruction, but possibly a run as the last option, and by then it's too late. My take is that he isn't playing on instinct and ability, but rather playing to 'fit' into a system, like he's modeling Eli in every sense of the word.

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#35 : January 14, 2013, 09:41:02 PM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

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#36 : January 14, 2013, 10:17:21 PM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.


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#37 : January 15, 2013, 11:50:04 AM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.

So how did he lose heart exactly? I think me, you and Hate no well enough to not openly question a person's heart like that with no ryhme or reason. Especially when he dramatically exhibited more than enough heart for a young player. Why has he lost heart?

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#38 : January 15, 2013, 12:01:28 PM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.

So how did he lose heart exactly? I think me, you and Hate no well enough to not openly question a person's heart like that with no ryhme or reason. Especially when he dramatically exhibited more than enough heart for a young player. Why has he lost heart?

I don't know how or why...but I do know that I have seen very little-to-no heart in the last 2 seasons from him. Hopefully a spark is lit before the start of the '13 season and doesn't get extinguished.


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#39 : January 15, 2013, 03:03:42 PM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.

So how did he lose heart exactly? I think me, you and Hate no well enough to not openly question a person's heart like that with no ryhme or reason. Especially when he dramatically exhibited more than enough heart for a young player. Why has he lost heart?

I don't know how or why...but I do know that I have seen very little-to-no heart in the last 2 seasons from him. Hopefully a spark is lit before the start of the '13 season and doesn't get extinguished.





That reminds me of that play where Marshawn is going for the end zone, and here comes Russell Wilson out of no where to run interference.  Somehow I can't picture Freeman doing that.


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#40 : January 15, 2013, 03:52:48 PM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.

So how did he lose heart exactly? I think me, you and Hate no well enough to not openly question a person's heart like that with no ryhme or reason. Especially when he dramatically exhibited more than enough heart for a young player. Why has he lost heart?

I don't know how or why...but I do know that I have seen very little-to-no heart in the last 2 seasons from him. Hopefully a spark is lit before the start of the '13 season and doesn't get extinguished.





That reminds me of that play where Marshawn is going for the end zone, and here comes Russell Wilson out of no where to run interference.  Somehow I can't picture Freeman doing that.

YES^^^  That play defined heart at QB.  Even with the approach of "just do your job", QB is a little different than other positions in the aspect that the "job" includes "leading the team" by example as well as words.  Good play or bad, I don't get the feeling that #5 really shows that level of leadership and inspiration.  Call it the "eyeball test" or what you will, but we need to see more of that, especially from an aged vet, now that he is no longer such a young 24. Ha!

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#41 : January 15, 2013, 08:53:07 PM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.




He seems a lot better winging it.  Some guys are better that way.  Favre comes to mind.


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#42 : January 16, 2013, 07:21:00 AM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.




He seems a lot better winging it.  Some guys are better that way.  Favre comes to mind.

Yep. Roethlesberger comes to mind also , which is who he was most often compared to early in his career.

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#43 : January 16, 2013, 07:35:24 AM

Schiano discourages him from running.  No doubt about it.  I think there's even a quote or two from Schiano verifying this.  Someone with better Google skills can find it.

Did Schiano discourage him in 2011? And furthermore.... if i'm the freakin QB, the field general, once i'm between the white lines, its my show. It's all about winning, by any means necessary.

Takes heart to be a field general and to have this thought.

So how did he lose heart exactly? I think me, you and Hate no well enough to not openly question a person's heart like that with no ryhme or reason. Especially when he dramatically exhibited more than enough heart for a young player. Why has he lost heart?

I don't know how or why...but I do know that I have seen very little-to-no heart in the last 2 seasons from him. Hopefully a spark is lit before the start of the '13 season and doesn't get extinguished.





That reminds me of that play where Marshawn is going for the end zone, and here comes Russell Wilson out of no where to run interference.  Somehow I can't picture Freeman doing that.

Was thinking the same thing shortly after it happened.

Not a great block by Wilson, but it must be awesome to have a QB with that much heart.

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#44 : January 16, 2013, 09:45:36 AM

Freeman is suffering from paralysis by analysis.  Between learning a new offense , trying to improve his mechanics , and trying to learn to read NFL defenses , he has forgotten how to just let loose and play instintively like he did at the begining of his career.


He seems a lot better winging it.  Some guys are better that way.  Favre comes to mind.

I agree. Thinking too much will slow you down - mentally and physically. That's what I see happening with Freeman.
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