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« #5565 : April 06, 2013, 12:39:22 AM »

You guys claiming he is so mobile are clueless. A "mobile" QB is a guy that uses his quickness, agility, and speed to avoid defenders and gain yards when nobody is open. Tebow just lowers his head like a FB and takes defenders on head on. Not a realistic style for a QB use. Combine that with the fact that his wind up is uglier and slower than Byron Leftwich's and he has the worst accuracy I have ever seen....and you have an over hyped christian poster boy who looks like an underwear model on roids with no real value to an NFL team.
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« #5566 : April 06, 2013, 12:39:28 AM »

TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

Preston (New York): I'm tired of the Bucs-Jets rumblings involving Revis. At this point, would it be more of less expensive for the Bucs to trade up high enough to get Dee Milliner? Younger, no ACL injury, and much cheaper. Win?
 
PY: It is tiring. But sometimes that's how this league works. You've got to be patient to get the best deal. Revis is proven. But I don't think that trading up for Milliner is a bad idea.
 
Eddie(go bucs) (Saint louis): Any truth to the rumor us fans have created about a revis and tebow trade since we don't have a back up qb?
 
PY: You think Tebow's a QB? I don't.





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« #5567 : April 06, 2013, 12:49:10 AM »


 
PY: You think Tebow's a QB? I don't.[/size]




By Pat Yasinskas | ESPN.com

And he finally delivers. I agree 100%

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« #5568 : April 06, 2013, 01:00:11 AM »

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Trade for Darrelle Revis Can Remedy Frustrating Offseason for Tampa Bay Bucs

Injury Fears Should Not Prevent Chance to Acquire NFL's Best Corner at Reasonable Price


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..By Jeff Briscoe | Yahoo! Sports – 8 hours ago.. .
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COMMENTARY

Though frustrated fans of the Tampa Bay Bucs hope for a monumental shakeup of an underachieving lineup, the team continues gradual tweaking of its roster throughout the lengthy offseason. While the free agent period began on a high note with the signing of safety Dashon Goldson, all subsequent moves have failed to deliver required impact. In fact, Tampa Bay has mysteriously avoided addressing its biggest deficiency, cornerback. As a result, with bitter knowledge of the team resting well below the salary cap, only a rumored trade for Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets can deliver the needed progress for a pass coverage that was the NFL's worst in 2012.
 


Injury Risk Worth Taking

Though healthy for the majority of his six year career, the league's best corner suffered a devastating injury in 2012. Playing in his second game of the season, Revis left a week three Jets' victory over the Miami Dolphins with a lower body injury. It was soon diagnosed that the University of Pittsburgh product had torn the ACL in his left knee and would miss the remainder of the campaign to recover from surgery. Such leg injuries are often career-threatening for a position dependent on speed. With the ability to make cuts valued far greater than power, nothing is more essential to a corner than healthy legs.
 
Yet, longtime football fans have learned that elite players consistently defy typical health expectations. This ability was witnessed throughout the career of fellow All-Pro defender, Ray Lewis, who overcame a mid-season torn triceps at age 37 to compete at a high level during last year's Super Bowl run by the Baltimore Ravens. Though the injury is different, Revis is a decade younger at 27 years old and is expected to be healthy for 2013. While a slight step may be missing, his 19 career interceptions have derived overwhelmingly from positioning and smarts. These intangible assets are very much intact and there is every reason to believe "Revis Island" remains a feared destination for another five years.
 
As the Jets come off a frustrating season in 2012, the team has dangled its star defensive back to suitors for the past month. With Mark Sanchez still under center, New York lacks a franchise quarterback and covets additional picks to provide remedial options in the forthcoming NFL draft. Threatening multiple holdouts in the past few years, Revis is always in search of a new contract and any deal would undoubtedly require appeasing the demanding player. While the Jets are close to the upper limits of the NFL's salary cap, the Bucs remain a healthy $26 million below the threshold. In fact, this flexibility is a primary reason for the trade chatter. Possessing the financial means to make the deal happen, and even greater motivation in the league's worst pass defense, Tampa Bay must embrace this risk.
 


Lack of Impactful Moves Demands Revis Trade

While recognizing a deal for Revis is a gamble, a glance at the offseason's other additions provides further incentive to acquire the cornerback. Despite a horrendous secondary that yielded 297 yards per game through the air in 2012, general manager Mark Dominik has failed to strengthen his defensive backfield. Though the addition of Goldson will help, much of the benefit is off-set by the likely retirement of Ronde Barber, who plays the same position. The veteran safety was not only the team's perennial leader, but Barber was arguably its best backfield defender in 2012. Combined with last April's first round selection of Mark Barron, it is mystifying why the Bucs again boost safety, when cornerback is the real need.
 
Other recent free agent signings by Tampa Bay include wide receiver Steve Smith of the St. Louis Rams, running back Brian Leonard of the Cincinnati Bengals, linebacker Jonathan Casillas of the New Orleans Saints, and defensive tackle Derek Landri of the Philadelphia Eagles. These moves came at affordable prices and Bucs' supporters hope the club has discovered a few diamonds in the rough. However, fans cannot reasonably believe these deals will turn Tampa Bay into a playoff contender. That hope is even more unlikely when the depth chart at cornerback includes underwhelming names like Eric Wright, Leonard Johnson, Anthony Gaitor, and Myron Lewis.
 


Trade is Worth the Price
 
A deal for Darrelle Revis would likely require Tampa Bay's first round selection in this year's draft. That 13th overall pick otherwise could be used to draft a cornerback like Alabama's Dee Milliner or Xavier Rhodes of Florida State. While such players are younger and come much cheaper, they would not deliver the impact of Revis. After all, the Bucs already possess a young defense and the loss of Ronde Barber has deprived the squad of its leader. I am not convinced a rookie cornerback can flourish in a defensive backfield where so many surrounding players are struggling greatly.
 
With other top free agent corners, including Brent Grimes and Nnamdi Asomugha, suddenly off the market, the time to act is now. Nothing would provide a greater boost for the NFL's worst secondary than adding the league's best cornerback. The Bucs have the money to pay Revis and his potential help outweighs any likely benefit from the 13th selection. Still possessing a pick in each round of this month's draft, and a pair of fourth rounders, Tampa Bay can use late round selections to add depth. However, the lack of cohesion in the Bucs' approach to free agency -- combined with five frustrating years of missing the playoffs -- demands taking a chance on a proven talent like Darrelle Revis.
 

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« #5569 : April 06, 2013, 02:03:30 AM »


Is Darrelle Revis Worth The Hassle for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?


Apr 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

by Robbie Knopf



We’ve heard it all by now- rumors have been swooning about the New York Jets’ Darrelle Revis, but no trade destination has ever really made sense  but the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Bucs are in a position where they’re essentially bidding against themselves, but after a season that saw them dead last in the NFL in passing yardage allowed, they’re desperate to upgrade their secondary and Revis is in obvious fit. The talks have revolved around the Bucs’ 13th overall pick in this year’s NFL Draft, but the Bucs want to instead trade the Jets their 2014 first round pick, which they believe will be later in the first round as their team improves next season. Does this whole situation make any sense for the Buccaneers? Is Darrelle Revis good enough that the Buccaneers should put their pride aside and make this deal happen even if giving up what they hope will be their last pick in the top half of the first round for a while is what it takes to do so?
 
Using the metric Win Probability Added from Advanced NFL Stats, Bucs cornerbacks actually ranked 7th in the NFL with a 3.59 value. The simplest way to think about that number is that their cornerbacks made the Bucs 22.4% more likely (3.59 divided by 16) to win each game. How does that make any sense? As it turned out, it’s quite misleading as the Bucs had 9 players take snaps at CB over the course of the year, and the more players you have, the more win probability you’re going to add even if they’re not as good individual. When looking at WPA per player, the Bucs dip all the way to 23rd in the NFL which certainly makes more sense given that they ranked 27th in Passer Rating Against in the NFL in 2012. That parallel between WPA per player and the Bucs’ Passer Rating ranking is a little interesting, and that becomes much more so the case when looking at the entire NFL. WPA per cornerback and Passer Rating had a -.472 correlation, not the strong relationship but still quite noticeable. Taking the R2 value, we can say that 22.3% of the variation in Passer Rating Against can be explained by the WPA per cornerback for each team, which is nothing too crazy given that teams have 2 or 3 cornerbacks on the field at the same time, and 2.5 divided by 11 is 22.7%, basically the same as the R2 value. But correlation does not imply causation and we especially can’t say that the cornerbacks performance as determined by WPA is the only thing affecting that 22.3% of Passer Rating Against. A quick glance at the graph of Passer Rating Against versus the WPA/CB gives us a hint about what’s going on.
 



Looking at the graph, the only real negative correlation lies in the seven points the farther to the right, the teams with the the highest WPA/CB values. Of those 7, 6 of them rank among the top 10 in the NFL in Passer Rating Against. Take out those 7 points, and there’s basically no correlation at (r=.083). What does this mean? Essentially that only the teams with the true top-of-the-top corners can really make their defenses elite and the separation between everyone else based on their corner play is not very large. That’s where Darrelle Revis comes in for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
 
In 2011, his last full season, Revis managed a 1.84 WPA all by himself, the best in the NFL that year and higher than what four NFL teams managed in 2012. If the Bucs add that level of production, it will make their entire secondary better and give them a chance to completely reverse course and become a top 10 defense next season. If the Bucs could guarantee that level of performance from Revis, the Jets asking for a 1st and 3rd round pick in exchange for Revis is nothing. It may be a long time before they get another chance to acquire a player of Revis’ caliber with the ability almost singlehandedly turn the entire defense around.
 
There’s another complicating factor in this- Revis is coming off knee surgery and it’s very much in question whether he can resume being the best corner in football when he gets back onto the gridiron. If Revis is a good but not great corner, he certainly would not be worth a 1st and a 3rd round pick (or a 1st and a 2nd next year) because the impact he could make on the Bucs defense would be marginal at best. In that case, the Bucs would be better off simply holding onto their picks or trading down and drafting a corner. Darrelle Revis’ health will be the key to the negotiations- but if the Bucs believe that Revis is healthy and ready to return to elite form, they could regret it for a long time if the offseason passes with Revis not in their uniform.





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« #5570 : April 06, 2013, 07:04:27 AM »

With revis at 100%, maybe playoffs.

Without revis, pretty sure we're one and done at the very best. And that's if the offense is absolutely destroying teams.

Point is, the guys we have right now in the backfield, plus one rookie, won't cut it. They can preach all they want about Barron and goldson in this type if system as well, but they're still going to get burnt around the edges for huge chunks of yardage like last year if they don't add a solid vet (which revis is about the only one left this offseason).

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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« #5571 : April 06, 2013, 07:42:07 AM »

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/05/revis-not-optimistic-trade-gets-done/ 


Revis “not optimistic” trade gets done

 Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2013, 10:54 PM EDT
 
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With the 2013 league year nearly a month old and cornerback Darrelle Revis still a member of the Jets, the player is “not optimistic” a trade to the Buccaneers will happen, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network.
 
Talks between the Jets and Bucs bogged down last month, presumably over New York’s insistence on a trade package headlined by a first-round pick in the 2013 draft, not the 2014 draft.
 
But the trade could still happen, in large part because the Bucs apparently are willing to give Revis a deal that would pay out roughly $15 million per year on average, despite his ACL tear and the currently pathetic market for veteran cornerbacks.
 
We recently suggested that the deal could go down when the Buccaneers are on the clock with the 13th pick in the draft.  If there’s no one there they want (and if there’s someone available who could help the Jets get better — then again, that bar is pretty low right now), that’s when the trade could happen.
 
After that, the Jets would have to trade him for 2014 picks, or for current players.  And if the Jets don’t trade him, Revis will walk away following the 2013 season.  Which also would be the Revis Farewell Tour in New York, yet another distraction for a team that has had more than its share of them lately.
 
The Jets can avoid all of this by signing Revis to an extension.  He reportedly wants to stay.  If the Jets want him, they should simply give him the deal that the Buccaneers apparently are ready to hand over.

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« #5572 : April 06, 2013, 07:50:02 AM »

I don't see why they don't want next years first, if that's really on the table.

Shoot, to have TWO firsts, with a possible move up for a third first, ..next year would be a huge boon to their rebuilding process. Sanchez will need to be replaced, and what better way to do that than by having a slew of picks in a QB heavy draft?

They would be absolutely nuts to resign revis, and revis himself might be a little bit of a r-tard if he thinks staying in jet-land isn't a waste of his talents for the next few years.

No way does he stay, but I doubt he's exactly thrilled with the idea of being shipped off to tampa either.
« : April 06, 2013, 07:54:18 AM Benchwarmer#1 »

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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« #5573 : April 06, 2013, 08:25:07 AM »

We're fools if we don't just walk away from this.

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« #5574 : April 06, 2013, 08:27:04 AM »

We're fools if we don't just walk away from this.

...and that leaves being fools for not doing it sooner.

We will be Carolina ready when we are Carolina ready.

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« #5575 : April 06, 2013, 08:42:06 AM »

We're fools if we don't just walk away from this.

Foolishness is something that this franchise is certainly not immune to....

http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/03/14/report-eric-wright-signs-5-year-deal-with-bucs/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/michael-barron-tb-bucs-trade-down-nfl-draft_n_1457683.html

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/29/buccaneers-resign-davin-joesph-jeremy-trueblood/

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/27/bucs-give-quincy-black-a-huge-deal/

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/wide-receiver-michael-clayton-to-re-sign--with-tampa-bay-buccaneers/980175

http://sports.popcrunch.com/buccaneers-sign-derrick-ward/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/bucs-sign-sean-jones/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/bucs-trade-up-to-select-arrelious-benn/

just sayin....


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« #5576 : April 06, 2013, 08:44:18 AM »

You guys claiming he is so mobile are clueless. A "mobile" QB is a guy that uses his quickness, agility, and speed to avoid defenders and gain yards when nobody is open. Tebow just lowers his head like a FB and takes defenders on head on.

Tebow avoids defenders all the time .... watch your beloved youtube film , Mr. Clueless , or I can post it for you.

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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« #5577 : April 06, 2013, 08:52:59 AM »

We're fools if we don't just walk away from this.

Foolishness is something that this franchise is certainly not immune to....

http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/03/14/report-eric-wright-signs-5-year-deal-with-bucs/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/michael-barron-tb-bucs-trade-down-nfl-draft_n_1457683.html

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/29/buccaneers-resign-davin-joesph-jeremy-trueblood/

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/27/bucs-give-quincy-black-a-huge-deal/

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/wide-receiver-michael-clayton-to-re-sign--with-tampa-bay-buccaneers/980175

http://sports.popcrunch.com/buccaneers-sign-derrick-ward/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/bucs-sign-sean-jones/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/bucs-trade-up-to-select-arrelious-benn/

just sayin....

haha, that took some work chace, but well played

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« #5578 : April 06, 2013, 09:21:54 AM »

We're fools if we don't just walk away from this.

Foolishness is something that this franchise is certainly not immune to....

http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/03/14/report-eric-wright-signs-5-year-deal-with-bucs/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/26/michael-barron-tb-bucs-trade-down-nfl-draft_n_1457683.html

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/29/buccaneers-resign-davin-joesph-jeremy-trueblood/

http://thepewterplank.com/2011/07/27/bucs-give-quincy-black-a-huge-deal/

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/wide-receiver-michael-clayton-to-re-sign--with-tampa-bay-buccaneers/980175

http://sports.popcrunch.com/buccaneers-sign-derrick-ward/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/16/bucs-sign-sean-jones/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/23/bucs-trade-up-to-select-arrelious-benn/

just sayin....

lol


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« #5579 : April 06, 2013, 09:33:13 AM »

You guys claiming he is so mobile are clueless. A "mobile" QB is a guy that uses his quickness, agility, and speed to avoid defenders and gain yards when nobody is open. Tebow just lowers his head like a FB and takes defenders on head on.

Tebow avoids defenders all the time .... watch your beloved youtube film , Mr. Clueless , or I can post it for you.
I got you. "just lowers his head head like a FB and takes defenders on head on"  hah... rigght.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY081VQqMY0



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