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« #15 : February 12, 2013, 04:31:27 PM »

No.  2nd week, we lose to Carolina - 2 huge special teams errors, missed extra point with no time left, Alstott and Jurevisious hurt on same play, B. Johnson throws for 336 yards.
5th week, we lose to Colts on Monday Night - The defense blows a 28 point lead.  It showed our weaknesses and hurt the Buccaneer aura. 
Week 6, we blow out Redskins behind B. Johnson's 4 TD passes.
Week 7, we can't stop the run and that starts to be a regular theme. 49ers run for 212 yards.  We fall behind early.  Johnson throws late picks.
Week 10 B. Johnson has excellent game with 300+ yards and 3 TDs and our defense gives up late TD to J. Delhomme.
Our team could not run the ball efficiently and couldn't stop the run.  It was all put on Johnson's shoulders.  And teams ran right at our smaller dline and wore us down as games went on.

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« #16 : February 12, 2013, 04:32:13 PM »

Look if second half of the season josh shows up again of course he can torpedo a season. Bad QB play gets you a lot of losses in this league.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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« #17 : February 12, 2013, 04:46:21 PM »

Again, how do you have the #5 total defense, multiple Hall of Fame, and Pro Bowl players, and only win 7 games? If it's Freeman's fault the #29 total defense didn't make the playoffs, how is it not Brad's fault, too?

Of the 9 losses:

Week 2 vs CAR: 336 yards passing yet on 61 pass attempts for a 55% completion rate and 5.5 yards per attempt with only 1 TD. How do you only throw 1 TD on 61 passes?

Week 5 vs. IND: Brad has a good game.

Week 7 at SF: Bucs offense scores 7 points, Brad throws 3 INT's

Week 9 vs NO: Bucs offense scores 14 points, Brad throws 2 INT's, loses fumble

Week 10 at CAR: Brad dinks and dunks for 6.4 yards per attempt, throws INT

Week 11 vs GB: Bucs offense scores 14 points, Brad throws for 149 yards, 5.3 yards per attempt, 2 INT, loses fumble

Week 13 at JAC: Bucs offense scores 10 points, Brad throws for 156 yards, 4.1 yards per attempt, 1 INT

Week 16 vs ATL: Brad throws 4 INT's

Week 17 at TEN: Bucs offense scores 13 points, Brad throws for 96 yards, 4.2 yards per attempt, 3 INT's

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #18 : February 12, 2013, 05:04:01 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.


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« #19 : February 12, 2013, 05:19:17 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.

Agreed but the TEAM has to get there first.

Turn the page.

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« #20 : February 12, 2013, 05:53:28 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.
That's true for the entire NFL. If you put Tom Brady on any of the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs, those teams would suddenly be iin the playoffs. So the question is not omething specific to Freeman and the Bucs situation.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #21 : February 12, 2013, 06:22:21 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.
That's true for the entire NFL. If you put Tom Brady on any of the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs, those teams would suddenly be iin the playoffs. So the question is not omething specific to Freeman and the Bucs situation.

Can't disagree with that.


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« #22 : February 12, 2013, 07:43:25 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.
That's true for the entire NFL. If you put Tom Brady on any of the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs, those teams would suddenly be iin the playoffs. So the question is not omething specific to Freeman and the Bucs situation.

But if you put Joe Flacco or Kapernick on those 16 teams, those teams still do not make the playoffs

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« #23 : February 12, 2013, 08:17:46 PM »

When you have the #32 pass defense, #29 total defense, and are #29 in sacks, no QB is going to "destroy" your playoff hopes because you have too many sucky players to be genuinely considered a playoff team. Now a really good QB could rescue your otherwise sucky team from missing the playoffs, but that's a different question. The last QB's to "destroy" the Bucs playoff hopes were named Dilfer, King, and Simms because those guys had teams around them good enough to make the postseason without them.

They gave up 500+ passing yards to the Giants with Talib and Wright at corner.  Do you think the possibility exists that maybe the scheme was second rate and not necessarily sucky players?
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« #24 : February 12, 2013, 08:56:27 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.
That's true for the entire NFL. If you put Tom Brady on any of the 16 teams that didn't make the playoffs, those teams would suddenly be iin the playoffs. So the question is not omething specific to Freeman and the Bucs situation.

Too many absolutes. Can't say that. Bottom line...freeman hasn't done it in his first four years. Until that happens it's all whatifs no matter what the excuse. Can't really have a valid argument until then. No one has given me a valid reason reason why he was not a big part of the problem during the last 7 games with his 68.3 qb rating.

But if you put Joe Flacco or Kapernick on those 16 teams, those teams still do not make the playoffs

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« #25 : February 12, 2013, 09:39:50 PM »

"Destroy" is probably too harsh of a word. Let's try a different one.

Could Josh Freeman “Limit” the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Playoff Hopes?

Yup.




Much better title.  A guy like Tebow could destroy a team.  Freeman?   Jury is still out.


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« #26 : February 12, 2013, 09:52:19 PM »

Did the Bucs' d cost them the Dallas game? As bad as it was, was the Bucs' d completely to blame for the Philly loss?

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« #27 : February 12, 2013, 11:23:29 PM »

Did the Bucs' d cost them the Dallas game? As bad as it was, was the Bucs' d completely to blame for the Philly loss?
The Dallas game Freeman was garbage, I don't think anyone is denying that. Against the Rams, he also had a really bad game and deserved a lot of blame for the loss.

Don't really see any other games where he really held us back this year though. He had a bad game against the Saints, but he also had his best game of the year earlier in the season against the Saints throwing for 4 TD's and over 400 yards, but we still lost thanks to our pathetic D. The Bucs D doesn't completely deserve all the blame for the Philly game, but it definitely deserves most of it. Obviously Freeman had a bad 1st half, but he came back strong in the 2nd half and gave us a comfortable lead. The defense blowing a 14 point lead in the final 5 minutes to a 4th round rookie QB is completely unacceptable.


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« #28 : February 13, 2013, 08:38:37 AM »

Freeman is not the problem, enough already.

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« #29 : February 13, 2013, 10:04:59 AM »

Freeman is not the problem, enough already.

He's definitely part of it.  68.3 QB rating for half the season is not good enough even with an above average defense.  I guarantee Coach Schiano is less than as sure as you are about that.
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