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#30 : February 12, 2013, 11:54:27 PM

Anyone that thinks that it is appropriate to gesture a judge to **CENSORED** off has the mentality of a undisciplined punk teenager

Respect is earned not given

you think the Judge just walked in of the street?


The country is full of little district courts, and the bar is, uh, not quite so high there. In fact, often all it takes to don the black robe is passing a simple test of 50 true/false questions, including this thinker: "Town and village justices must maintain dignity, order, and decorum in their courtrooms -- true or false?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/nyregion/26courts.html?pagewanted=1

That question is from a district judge exam in New York state, and perhaps unsurprisingly, no one has failed it since 1999. In fact, it's more surprising that someone actually did fail it, because you only need 70 percent correct to pass, and you can retake it as many times as you like. And these small town courts aren't just relegated to the rural areas of New York -- they are everywhere.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/nyregion/25courts.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The scariest part is that three-quarters of the judges appointed to these courts have no legal training whatsoever, and some of them never even finished high school.
But surely these judges only deal with cases involving crop tampering and cattle disputes -- there's no way the government would let them hand down prison sentences, right? Wrong! They handle around 300,000 criminal cases a year, plus millions of minor offenses like misdemeanors and traffic violations, and dole out a heap of jail time. Who's watching over them to make sure they're following procedure? Probably nobody!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/nyregion/14courts.html?pagewanted=all

There is almost no oversight -- in New York state, for instance, the branch responsible for keeping tabs on 1,250 district judges is staffed by only 29 people. See, suddenly all of those "crazy judge hands out wacky sentence" news stories make sense.

Only sometimes it's not so funny. Take the case of Stanley Yusko, a judge in the Catskills who frequently and illegally imprisoned people for months before trial.

http://boingboing.net/2010/02/20/new-yorks-small-town.html

Or Elaine Rider, who got so confused when a lawyer argued that evidence had been seized illegally that she asked the prosecutor to decide the case for her.

http://www.cjc.ny.gov/Determinations/R/Rider.Elaine.M.1987.01.30.DET.pdf

Or John Cox, the quarry worker turned judge who had a habit of jailing anyone unable to pay a fine (he only got away with this for 22 years before someone told him to stop, at which point he claimed that it was the first time anyone had told him not to). Want us to keep going? OK, how about Donald Roberts, the former state trooper turned judge who denied a woman a protection order against her husband on the basis that "every woman needs a good pounding now and then."

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/jun/11/judge-who-said-women-need-beating-removed-from/


The piece of ish was finally ejected from office.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=199718491NY2d93_1174.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006

This specific judge's bio is available online. It's easy to find.  In any event, no one said judges are perfect, just like society isnt perfect, but the comment was "respect was earned not given"  Take a look at his bio

These judges quite literally walked in off the street. They don't go through the heinous years of law school like lawyers do.


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#31 : February 13, 2013, 12:03:45 AM

Anyone that thinks that it is appropriate to gesture a judge to **CENSORED** off has the mentality of a undisciplined punk teenager

Respect is earned not given

you think the Judge just walked in of the street?


The country is full of little district courts, and the bar is, uh, not quite so high there. In fact, often all it takes to don the black robe is passing a simple test of 50 true/false questions, including this thinker: "Town and village justices must maintain dignity, order, and decorum in their courtrooms -- true or false?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/nyregion/26courts.html?pagewanted=1

That question is from a district judge exam in New York state, and perhaps unsurprisingly, no one has failed it since 1999. In fact, it's more surprising that someone actually did fail it, because you only need 70 percent correct to pass, and you can retake it as many times as you like. And these small town courts aren't just relegated to the rural areas of New York -- they are everywhere.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/nyregion/25courts.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The scariest part is that three-quarters of the judges appointed to these courts have no legal training whatsoever, and some of them never even finished high school.
But surely these judges only deal with cases involving crop tampering and cattle disputes -- there's no way the government would let them hand down prison sentences, right? Wrong! They handle around 300,000 criminal cases a year, plus millions of minor offenses like misdemeanors and traffic violations, and dole out a heap of jail time. Who's watching over them to make sure they're following procedure? Probably nobody!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/nyregion/14courts.html?pagewanted=all

There is almost no oversight -- in New York state, for instance, the branch responsible for keeping tabs on 1,250 district judges is staffed by only 29 people. See, suddenly all of those "crazy judge hands out wacky sentence" news stories make sense.

Only sometimes it's not so funny. Take the case of Stanley Yusko, a judge in the Catskills who frequently and illegally imprisoned people for months before trial.

http://boingboing.net/2010/02/20/new-yorks-small-town.html

Or Elaine Rider, who got so confused when a lawyer argued that evidence had been seized illegally that she asked the prosecutor to decide the case for her.

http://www.cjc.ny.gov/Determinations/R/Rider.Elaine.M.1987.01.30.DET.pdf

Or John Cox, the quarry worker turned judge who had a habit of jailing anyone unable to pay a fine (he only got away with this for 22 years before someone told him to stop, at which point he claimed that it was the first time anyone had told him not to). Want us to keep going? OK, how about Donald Roberts, the former state trooper turned judge who denied a woman a protection order against her husband on the basis that "every woman needs a good pounding now and then."

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/jun/11/judge-who-said-women-need-beating-removed-from/


The piece of ish was finally ejected from office.

http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=199718491NY2d93_1174.xml&docbase=CSLWAR2-1986-2006

This specific judge's bio is available online. It's easy to find.  In any event, no one said judges are perfect, just like society isnt perfect, but the comment was "respect was earned not given"  Take a look at his bio

These judges quite literally walked in off the street. They don't go through the heinous years of law school like lawyers do.

you think that is the norm for judges?  In any event, do you want me to get the bio for this judge?

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#32 : February 13, 2013, 12:06:43 AM

I never said it was the norm. My point is we should not give a man respect because he holds a position.


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#33 : February 13, 2013, 12:14:53 AM

I never said it was the norm. My point is we should not give a man respect because he holds a position.

Okay sorry, I get that.

However, I do think of it in reverse.  The position deserves the respect (even if the man/woman in the robe doesn't live up to it). In other words, most state court judges hold law degrees, spent many years in the practice of law and probably many years as a judge, were elected with substantial support of their peers and like it or not are allocated substantial power. It makes sense to respect the position.

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#34 : February 13, 2013, 12:27:07 AM

We could make it a nationwide law that judges need a law degree.


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#35 : February 13, 2013, 12:34:08 AM

We could make it a nationwide law that judges need a law degree.

Good idea, although I have seen some with law degrees but no common sense :-)

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#36 : February 13, 2013, 05:36:11 AM

Anyone that thinks that it is appropriate to gesture a judge to **CENSORED** off has the mentality of a undisciplined punk teenager

Respect is earned not given

Respect for our country's judicial system has been earned.
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