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Percy Harvin | Wide Receiver

Team:  Minnesota Vikings
Age / DOB:   (24) / 5/28/1988
Ht / Wt:   5'11' / 184
College:  Florida

  • 8/2/2009: Signed a five-year, $12.05 million contract. The deal contains $8.425 million guaranteed, including a $2,158,500 roster bonus in the third season. Another $2.2 million is available through incentives. Harvin is eligible for annual workout bonuses of $27,500 throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2.9 million, 2014: Free Agent



Tom Pelissero of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities echoes an NFL.com report that the Vikings are unlikely to garner a first-round pick for Percy Harvin.Pelissero, the most reliable Vikings beat reporter of them all, says he's "consistently heard" Harvin would only net Minnesota a second- or third-round pick. It appears our initial guess of a "second-rounder and change" might even have been optimistic. If the Vikings can seriously only get a third-rounder for Harvin, they may as well deal with him in 2013, let him walk in 2014, and hope he gets paid big bucks so they can get back a 2015 compensatory pick.

Feb 12 - 8:35 PM

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The Harvin Debate


PFF Analysis Team | 2013/02/12




In the past few days the internet has been awash with rumors the Vikings have finally tired of mercurial talent Percy Harvin, and are prepared to listen to offers for him.
 
Harvin is arguably the league’s most explosive weapon and one of the most dangerous playmakers around, but he has long come with a bundle of red flags that caused him to slip in the draft much further than his playmaking ability dictated. Now those red flags have soured his relationship with the Vikings and Harvin just might be available at the right price.
 
So we put the question to our top two analysts to see if teams really should pursue Harvin in a trade. Here’s what they said:
 

Ben Stockwell — Why I’d Trade For Harvin
 

The bottom line is this — when you trade for Percy Harvin you are trading for the most dangerous and versatile offensive weapon in the NFL. That a team with a conservative offensive play-calling outlook was able to make good use of Harvin’s diverse skill set should speak volumes for what one of the new “creative” offensive “gurus” in the NFL could do with him at their disposal.
 
Harvin’s overall grade for the season put him inside the Top 10 of our receiver ranking, even though he missed half the season. His production this season was absolutely astronomical, and he is able to blend the attributes of a runner, with the explosive ability to work in these new read option offenses, with the receiving ability to make plays all over the field. Harvin was in a league of his own in terms of creating yards after the catch, (well, almost, along with Cecil Shorts) among receivers with 50 receptions. He collected an astonishing 8.7 yards after the catch and broke 22 tackles as a receiver to go with five tackles broken as a runner. And when you think the Vikings were only just starting to realize how devastating Harvin is when you run the offense through him, imagine what an offensive coordinator fully aware of his talents and making use of his versatility for a full 16-game season could achieve?
 
The one thing you have to realize, and plan for, with Harvin is that you’re getting a unique football player — you have to be aware of that and be planning for it when you try to acquire him. You can’t do as the Jets did with Tim Tebow this season and just pick him up and hope to work it out when you get him. The Vikings principally worked Harvin on short routes this season (27 targets on throws at the line of scrimmage, 16 crossing patterns), but he still showed the versatility to make catches on every route on the tree. Combine the fact that he will lineup absolutely anywhere and you not only make it very difficult for teams to track and cover him, but you also create the potential of miscommunication on defense opening up the field for other receivers.
 
If a team decides not to track Harvin then you can move him to various spots in wide, slot, and backfield formations to work out matchups against whichever defender you see fit. If a team does track Harvin then you can move him to various spots to open up the field for other receivers to do damage. Harvin may not be your conventional down-the-field, scare-the-life-out-of-a-defense receiver, but he has a similar effect on a defense with his ability to shed a tackle and break a play open from anywhere.
 
At the end of the day, with Harvin you are trading for a football player and an offensive weapon, the best and most versatile in the league. When players are as special and productive as Harvin then teams have this habit of finding ways to work with the baggage they bring with them. If I have the right offensive mind on my staff, then as a general manager I’m looking at Harvin as the most devastating offensive weapon I can get my hands on. At the right price he is a piece of the puzzle I absolutely want on my football team.
 

Sam Monson – Why I Wouldn’t Trade For Harvin
 

Teams don’t look to move on from a player as talented as Harvin without good reason, and that reason is that he has begun to cause more problems than he solves for the team. Dating all the way back to high school, Percy Harvin has been in hot water and stepping way over the line of acceptable behavior. He was actually banned from playing in all Virginia High School sports after punching a referee, and his issues continued during his college career at the University of Florida.
 
In Gainesville, Harvin was known to skip workouts, was involved in a fight with his receivers coach, and missed time due to a suspension for marijuana. Those problems haven’t disappeared as a Viking. He has already been involved in sideline screaming matches with Bill Musgrave and Leslie Frazier, and had to be physically separated from former head coach Brad Childress in one altercation. The bottom line is Harvin has a legitimate history of flying off the handle and overstepping the boundaries of acceptable behavior, whether it has been punished or not after the fact.
 
He also has a long injury history. His time in the NFL hasn’t been too bad, missing just 10 of 64 career games (seven of which came this year with a torn ankle ligament), and he is undoubtedly tough as nails, but including college he has missed time with ankle, neck, rib, heel, and more ankle injuries, as well as a well-documented battle with migraines. He is tough, but Harvin is just 5-foot-11′ and 184 pounds, being tackled by players that outweigh him by 60 pounds or more on a regular basis — that doesn’t add up to a player you can rely on week in, week out.
 
Part of his current unrest in Minnesota is his contract situation, and any team that trades for him not only needs to understand the baggage he comes with, but needs to pay handsomely to lock him up long-term,  while somehow structuring the new deal so that they are protected if he does go off the deep end and forces his way out of his new home. This is easier said than done, and teams are loathed to commit major dollars, as well as draft picks, to a risky character and person.
 
Perhaps the most worrying thing for any team looking to bring Harvin in is the parallels with the last dominant, problem-child receiver the Vikings tired of and sent packing in a trade, Randy Moss. After the 2004 season Moss was the league’s most dominant receiver, and one of the best players period, but Minnesota had grown tired of the headache and trying to keep him happy. They accepted a trade with Oakland, which ultimately gained them little after selecting Troy Williamson as Moss’ replacement.
 
However, it is what happened to the Raiders that will put off some teams. Moss saw that the grass is not always greener on the other side, and soon simply stopped trying when saddled with a hopeless quarterback situation. Harvin is not a dissimilar player to Moss in attitude, and actually connected with his predecessor during his short second stint in the Twin Cities. A new team might see Harvin as a player that can help them, but will Harvin be happy if he doesn’t think that new team can win it all?

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« #1 : February 13, 2013, 12:28:26 AM »

For another team? Sure. But not here.


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« #2 : February 13, 2013, 12:37:25 AM »

Pass

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« #3 : February 13, 2013, 12:39:18 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up

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« #4 : February 13, 2013, 12:39:45 AM »

Again....pass.

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« #5 : February 13, 2013, 01:56:09 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


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« #6 : February 13, 2013, 01:57:47 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.

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« #7 : February 13, 2013, 02:10:46 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.



Well, the good points are,  he is still young.  Has the talent, we need a slot guy in the worse way.  And need a good return guy also.

Sure he will want a big contract, but there is no guarantee Mike Williams will be here after next season.


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« #8 : February 13, 2013, 02:17:45 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.



Well, the good points are,  he is still young.  Has the talent, we need a slot guy in the worse way.  And need a good return guy also.

Sure he will want a big contract, but there is no guarantee Mike Williams will be here after next season.

I hear what your saying but I just would not take the risk of trading for a guy that has gotten into 3 separate arguments with different coaches, a guy who was suspended in college for Mary J and failed the combine drug test for the same thing. Harvin has made some terrible off the field decisions, he is like the Talib of offense. 

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« #9 : February 13, 2013, 02:23:13 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.



Well, the good points are,  he is still young.  Has the talent, we need a slot guy in the worse way.  And need a good return guy also.

Sure he will want a big contract, but there is no guarantee Mike Williams will be here after next season.

I hear what your saying but I just would not take the risk of trading for a guy that has gotten into 3 separate arguments with different coaches, a guy who was suspended in college for Mary J and failed the combine drug test for the same thing. Harvin has made some terrible off the field decisions, he is like the Talib of offense.



He is older now and more mature hopefully.  Having Ponder throwing to you,  would rattle anyones cage.


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« #10 : February 13, 2013, 02:24:52 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.



Well, the good points are,  he is still young.  Has the talent, we need a slot guy in the worse way.  And need a good return guy also.

Sure he will want a big contract, but there is no guarantee Mike Williams will be here after next season.

I hear what your saying but I just would not take the risk of trading for a guy that has gotten into 3 separate arguments with different coaches, a guy who was suspended in college for Mary J and failed the combine drug test for the same thing. Harvin has made some terrible off the field decisions, he is like the Talib of offense.



He is older now and more mature hopefully.  Having Ponder throwing to you,  would rattle anyones cage.

How is he more mature when he got into a argument with Fraizer this past season?

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« #11 : February 13, 2013, 02:28:47 AM »

A 3rd rounder?  Sign me up




Have to admit, the idea is growing on me.


If the idea is growing on you just think of how it would be too expensive for the Bucs to have 3 highly paid WR's.

Especially when one of the high paid WR's has some major baggage.



Well, the good points are,  he is still young.  Has the talent, we need a slot guy in the worse way.  And need a good return guy also.

Sure he will want a big contract, but there is no guarantee Mike Williams will be here after next season.

I hear what your saying but I just would not take the risk of trading for a guy that has gotten into 3 separate arguments with different coaches, a guy who was suspended in college for Mary J and failed the combine drug test for the same thing. Harvin has made some terrible off the field decisions, he is like the Talib of offense.



He is older now and more mature hopefully.  Having Ponder throwing to you,  would rattle anyones cage.

How is he more mature when he got into a argument with Fraizer this past season?



That goes to the second part of my statement.  Having Ponder as your QB would rile up anyone.  Or Joe Webb, whoever was slinging it to him.


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« #12 : February 13, 2013, 07:11:17 AM »

Ill say it again, the guy is an A-hole, always has been. No way Schiano puts him on this team. Harvin could be the second coming of Jerry Rice and I don't think Schiano puts him on this team. He just doesn't fit here. I'd rather overpay for Mike Will than give Harvin anything at all. I would give Mike Will $10mil/yr before I paid Harvin vet minimum.

The dude is very athletic and talented, but I highly doubt Harvins issues are behind him. It's his personality, it's just who he is.


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« #13 : February 13, 2013, 07:32:41 AM »

If he went to the Pats, 49ers, Broncos, Saints, or Falcons everybody and their mother would be calling it a great addition, a bold move.

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« #14 : February 13, 2013, 07:34:21 AM »

It would be  better than Jdouble spending a 2nd rounder on that West Virginia WR ....

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           
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