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#195 : February 24, 2013, 08:13:22 PM

Also , is there a particular reason you keep repeating the same failed Mises argument over and over again , even though I already exposed that the quote you keep using is taken out of context ?? Do you think I've forgetten ? Do you think you are going to fool a new reader who hasn't followed the entire argument ? Are you simply as retarded as you seem ?

Here it is again , since you seem to have such a short memory :



 CBW cherry-picked his Mises quote ( out of context ) in an attempt to save face and tie Mises , if only in some small way , to an advocacy of fascism. The article containing the quote , however , is clearly condemning fascism during a time when fascism was gaining popularity as an alternative to communism .

Here's some more context :
"Many people approve of the methods of Fascism, even though its economic program is altogether antiliberal and its policy completely interventionist, because it is far from practicing the senseless and unrestrained destructionism that has stamped the Communists as the archenemies of civilization. Still others, in full knowledge of the evil that Fascist economic policy brings with it, view Fascism, in comparison with Bolshevism and Sovietism, as at least the lesser evil. For the majority of its public and secret supporters and admirers, however, its appeal consists precisely in the violence of its methods."

Not only did he call it a "fatal error" in this article , he called it  "EVIL" . That doesn't sound very "borderline" to me. Doesn't sound like a fan OR a supporter.

Here it is in it's entirety , should anyone care to read it , and view CBW's dishonesty for themselves :
http://mises.org/liberal/ch1sec10.asp

Yes ,  we already had this discussion , and you lost it . Keep repeating the lie though , and maybe it will come true.  Very intellectually honest of you.

It must bother you to know thats there is simply no similiarties between libertarian philosphy and fascism ( still waiting for you to list them , you can't) , but socialism and communism are cut from the exact same marxist cloth - born of the same thought process.  No amount of spin can change that , you useless pinhead. How badly does it bother you ?
   

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#196 : February 24, 2013, 09:26:57 PM

Libertarianism is now akin to fascism.? Has little ole Blue Boy finally gone coo coo for cocoa puffs..

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#197 : February 25, 2013, 02:21:39 AM

Libertarianism is now akin to fascism.?

If you can find a quote where I'm making that claim, I'd love to see it. Don't A-S-S-ume things. You should know by now what it makes you look like.

Also , is there a particular reason you keep repeating the same failed Mises argument over and over again , even though I already exposed that the quote you keep using is taken out of context ??

How is that quote taken out of context when the context I provided it in was to show proof that he was a fascist sympathizer (borderline fascist, I believe, was the term I used), and the quote shows him clearly sympathizing with the fascist movements of Europe? Movements which he proclaimed, had "saved European civilization" and therefor had won for fascism "merit" which "will live on eternally in history"?

That's what you call condemnation, Delirious? He isn't condemning anything and you didn't expose anything, moron. You're just trying your damnedest to rationalize his statements. To no avail, I might add. What's that phrase you like to say so often? Is it "spin, spin, spin," or something like that?

It must bother you to know thats there is simply no similiarties between libertarian philosphy and fascism ( still waiting for you to list them , you can't) , but socialism and communism are cut from the exact same marxist cloth - born of the same thought process.

That doesn't bother me at all. What should bother you, however, is that your Libertarian gods were more than happy to back fascist regimes in pursuit of Economic Liberalism with reckless abandon, regardless of the fact that they were murdering and torturing their own citizenry. Apparently, economic liberty was of far more importance to them than personal liberty, or basic human decency.

There is very little about Lenin's utopia that matched what the USSR was under Lenin. Authoritarianism wasn't the endgame, you nitwit, it was the means to an end, the end being communism, a stateless, classless society. Guess what von Mises, Hayek, and Friedman viewed fascism as? Actually, it doesn't really require a guess. Let's let Hayek tell us himself...

"As long term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period."

In otherwords, if you have to implement liberal economic policies by way of bloody revolution and implantation of a murderous, tyrannical regime, so be it. Keep up the spin, useful little idiot. The world is just a few more Pinochet's away from resembling that Libertarian utopia of yours.
: February 25, 2013, 07:12:55 AM CBWx2


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#198 : February 25, 2013, 07:40:08 AM

Libertarianism is now akin to fascism.? Has little ole Blue Boy finally gone coo coo for cocoa puffs..


He is desperate  , and he mad ..... and now it looks like he is denying he said something.... again . "Intellectual Honesty" at it's finest....


How about you dedicate it working towards turning the US into that fasci....uh....I mean Libertarian utopia you believe in so much?

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#199 : February 25, 2013, 08:07:46 AM

He's a fan of linking one w/ the other but doesn't support the correlation of the two or he supports the correlation but isn't a fan of linking them together.

Rinse and repeat. Repeat and rinse.

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#200 : February 25, 2013, 08:24:07 AM

He's a fan of linking one w/ the other but doesn't support the correlation of the two or he supports the correlation but isn't a fan of linking them together.

Rinse and repeat. Repeat and rinse.

LOL

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#201 : February 25, 2013, 01:23:14 PM

Look at them commiserate. You can bet some well earned canoodling time is in their future  ???

About sums it up. Delirious and Durang's sittin in a tree?


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#202 : February 25, 2013, 01:37:46 PM

He is desperate  , and he mad ..... and now it looks like he is denying he said something.... again . "Intellectual Honesty" at it's finest....


How about you dedicate it working towards turning the US into that fasci....uh....I mean Libertarian utopia you believe in so much?

Oh don't get me wrong, Delirious Smurf. I'm not suggesting that it is your intent to turn the US into a fascist utopia, just as it wasn't the Russian people's intent to turn Russia into a Socialist dictatorship. Communism denotes a lack of a central authority or central planning, just as Libertarianism does. In fact, the only difference between a communist utopia and a Libertarian utopia is that the former advocates common ownership, while the latter advocates individual ownership. The propaganda that lead you towards joining this philosophical movement is one thing. The real life examples of what it's implementation looks like is quite another. That's what makes you a useful idiot, you see. 

There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government. Remove government from having a role in economic development and what you get is a plutocracy, of the wealthy, for the wealthy, by the wealthy.
: February 25, 2013, 02:03:31 PM CBWx2


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#203 : February 25, 2013, 01:39:50 PM

Anybody heard of Dr. Carson?

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#204 : February 25, 2013, 01:44:19 PM

There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.

O-M-G .... I would like to see this thread get back on the topic, but this statement is so absurd I had to quote it. Anyone who converses with you should remember this quote. Goodness. Markets are created by humans and by definition they are created "free." Governments then come in and restrict markets. We could debate why, but c'mon ...
: February 25, 2013, 01:48:02 PM VinBucFan

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#205 : February 25, 2013, 01:58:22 PM

Governments coin the money that makes markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They create and maintain the roads, rails, or airways that make markets possible. They provide the police and fire departments, and national security forces that maintain social order and sovereignty, without which, markets would not be possible. Businesses send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government.

Now one could argue that a market can exist without government if you lived in a small scale, barter and trade society. But that isn't exactly the type of markets we are talking about here, right Vinny?
: February 25, 2013, 02:06:52 PM CBWx2


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#206 : February 25, 2013, 02:03:34 PM

In all seriousness CBW, why font you start a new thread for this discussion?

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#207 : February 25, 2013, 02:06:23 PM

There is no such thing as a "free market." Markets are the creation of government.

O-M-G .... I would like to see this thread get back on the topic

lolz


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#208 : February 25, 2013, 02:06:26 PM

Governments coin the money that makes markets possible. They provide a legal infrastructure and court systems to enforce the contracts that make markets possible. They create and maintain the roads, rails, or airways that make markets possible. They provide the police and fire departments, and national security forces that maintain social order, without which, markets would not be possible. Businesses send their communications - from phone to fax to internet - over lines that follow public rights-of-way maintained and protected by government.

Now one could argue that a market can exist without government if you lived in a small scale, barter and trade society. But that isn't exactly the type of markets we are talking about here, right Vinny?

You should start a different thread, particularly if you're going to go all "black hole," which it looks like you are given the shift above.

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#209 : February 25, 2013, 02:11:40 PM

Anybody heard of Dr. Carson?
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