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#15 : March 20, 2013, 06:06:06 PM

tells me hes inconsistent.

the fact that his worst passing is with a lead is kind of odd. i do recall the playcalls being a bit odd when we were leading, too conservative and too easy to read. hes a bomber, not a dunker

to me his best throws are deep balls.

Throwing for 4+y right infront of end zone improves your QBR a lot more than throwing for 4 yards on 3rd&3, after your RB had two runs, because the one pass results in a TD, while the other 'just' gives out a fresh set of downs, f/e to milk the clock. Just looking at QBR make no sense.

Coaching staff did 'good' job preparing for opponent, resulting in good 1st drives, unlike heemys staff. But after that the in game adjustments seem to be sub par, again unlike raheems. Nothing new, Schiano always was questioned to not be a gameday coach.
Freeman seems to be able to handle the pressuer of a 2min drive. Nothing new. But he is still inconsistent. Do you think a 25y old is able to overcome this, showing more of the come back drives, or scripted playes at start of game?

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#16 : March 20, 2013, 10:27:11 PM

There are consistency issues. He needs to improve that. If the bucs can manage a middle of the pack defense I predict big things for freeman and the team next year.


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#17 : March 21, 2013, 06:44:45 AM

Someone asked for it in another thread so here it is. No subjectivity, just the stats.

1. Freeman was by far and away better during his 1st 10 attempts with a passer rating above 100 and a completion percentage above 64%. A Fast starter, not something we would have guess.
2. Freeman was by far and away worst during his his 11-20 attempts with a passer rating of 58.3 and a completion percentage of 46%. These attempts are mostly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
3. Freeman was by far and away best in the redzone, when compared to other spots on the field, with a passer rating above 100 and tossing 20 TDs to only 1 interception.
4. Freeman was only slightly better in the 2nd half compared to the first half with passer ratings of 80.0 compared to 81.2
5. When the game is tied, Freeman had a whooping 103.6 passer rating
6. When the bucs are down by one score, Freeman had his second highest passer rating of 91.6.
7. Freeman's worst passer rating comes when the Bucs are ahead by 2-3 scores, posted at a 59.2
8. Freeman was by far best in the 1st Quarter with a passer rating of 91.9
9. Freeman was by far worst in the 2nd Quarter with a passer rating of 67.9


Okay folks, read these and think. What do these stats tell you about big ol' #5?

What is the timeframe these stats are from?  2012?  Josh's whole career?


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#18 : March 21, 2013, 08:45:16 AM

Only 2012.

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#19 : March 21, 2013, 08:54:47 AM

Coaching staff did 'good' job preparing for opponent, resulting in good 1st drives, unlike heemys staff. But after that the in game adjustments seem to be sub par, again unlike raheems. Nothing new, Schiano always was questioned to not be a gameday coach.
This is how I see it, too.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#20 : March 21, 2013, 09:19:48 AM

Coaching staff did 'good' job preparing for opponent, resulting in good 1st drives, unlike heemys staff. But after that the in game adjustments seem to be sub par, again unlike raheems. Nothing new, Schiano always was questioned to not be a gameday coach.
This is how I see it, too.

agreed. we need to be much much better at making adjustments in-game on the fly

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#21 : March 21, 2013, 09:41:50 AM

The problem with adjustments is that is not sure this QB let's you make them. He's got plan A and I'm not all that sure he's got a Plan B and C in him. Basically take away the deep heaves and what do you have left Josh will do well?

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#22 : March 21, 2013, 10:26:04 AM

Someone asked for it in another thread so here it is. No subjectivity, just the stats.

1. Freeman was by far and away better during his 1st 10 attempts with a passer rating above 100 and a completion percentage above 64%. A Fast starter, not something we would have guess.
2. Freeman was by far and away worst during his his 11-20 attempts with a passer rating of 58.3 and a completion percentage of 46%. These attempts are mostly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
3. Freeman was by far and away best in the redzone, when compared to other spots on the field, with a passer rating above 100 and tossing 20 TDs to only 1 interception.
4. Freeman was only slightly better in the 2nd half compared to the first half with passer ratings of 80.0 compared to 81.2
5. When the game is tied, Freeman had a whooping 103.6 passer rating
6. When the bucs are down by one score, Freeman had his second highest passer rating of 91.6.
7. Freeman's worst passer rating comes when the Bucs are ahead by 2-3 scores, posted at a 59.2
8. Freeman was by far best in the 1st Quarter with a passer rating of 91.9
9. Freeman was by far worst in the 2nd Quarter with a passer rating of 67.9


Okay folks, read these and think. What do these stats tell you about big ol' #5?

Here's some situational stats for you.  Here are Freeman's numbers in games started only vs teams with winning records compared to non-winning records (just to be clear, 8-8 is considered a non-winning record)
                                                 Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (27 games): 537-927 / 57.9% / 6,026 / 33 / 34 / 74.03 / 6.50 / 5.56
Opponents < .500 (29 games): 562-942 / 59.7% / 6,921 / 45 / 29 / 85.51 / 7.35 / 6.29


For comparisons sake... Jay Cutler.  Some have said Freeman is better than him, others have said they were similar, the rest (including me), have said Cutler was better.
                                              Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (43 games): 800-1,339 / 59.7% /  9,147 / 59 / 56 / 77.60 / 6.83 / 5.83
Opponents < .500 (50 games): 996-1,616 / 61.6% / 12,169 / 77 / 44 / 89.36 / 7.55 / 7.26


Too many games?  You want Cutler's first 56 starts?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (26 games): 520-848 / 61.3% / 5,778 / 38 / 36 / 78.82 / 6.81 / 5.80
Opponents < .500 (30 games): 638-1,108 / 62.7% / 7,782 / 49 / 29 / 90.34 / 7.64 / 7.33
To note, the same team records that Freeman set, Cutler's numbers would have accomplished the same... possibly more. Also keep in mind that the rule changes that really helped QB's numbers out, really didn't impact the league until 2008, so Cutler's first 21 games didn't have the same advantage Freeman did.


How about we compare the last 56 games so that the time frames are the same?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (28 games): 517-883 / 58.6% / 5,917 / 39 / 40 / 74.64 / 6.70 / 5.55
Opponents < .500 (28 games): 517-852 / 50.7% / 6,375 / 43 / 23 / 89.40 / 7.48 / 7.28


How about we look at a guy who was drafted the same year?  How about Matt Stafford?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (23 games): 569-977 / 58.2% / 6,432 / 33 / 27 / 77.79 / 6.58 / 6.02
Opponents < .500 (22 games): 545-886 / 61.5% / 6,375 / 47 / 27 / 88.31 / 7.20 / 6.88


Across the board, both Cutler and Stafford have better numbers vs good and bad teams than Freeman.  For the record, Stafford's numbers would be Buccaneer team records as well... and he'd have done it in 11 less starts.

Personally, I don't know your stance on either Cutler or Stafford, but reguardless of what they are... as you can see that both are/have been better.

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#23 : March 21, 2013, 10:41:48 AM

The rub with those stats is they are guys we don't have on our team nor are they available. (and most likely will never be)

McNulty gets his shot,  Free gets a chance to improve on his inconsistency this season.

If we see it - they see it.

I really hate the idea of starting over with the most important position on the team.   Especially when we won't be able to pick up an elite talent.

Who knew how good it would feel as a fan when we now know what it\'s like for our team to have a direction, an attitude, and dare I say an offense?.  

Good time to be a Bucs fan.

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#24 : March 21, 2013, 11:11:05 AM

I think we're all hoping this is Freemans year because no one wants to start all over again.

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#25 : March 21, 2013, 06:04:27 PM

I think we're all hoping this is Freemans year because no one wants to start all over again.

No, nobody does.  The only thing we're really discussing is whether or not it will be his year.  Even us "haters" will be thrilled if he finally becomes a reliable QB.

Someone asked for it in another thread so here it is. No subjectivity, just the stats.

1. Freeman was by far and away better during his 1st 10 attempts with a passer rating above 100 and a completion percentage above 64%. A Fast starter, not something we would have guess.
2. Freeman was by far and away worst during his his 11-20 attempts with a passer rating of 58.3 and a completion percentage of 46%. These attempts are mostly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
3. Freeman was by far and away best in the redzone, when compared to other spots on the field, with a passer rating above 100 and tossing 20 TDs to only 1 interception.
4. Freeman was only slightly better in the 2nd half compared to the first half with passer ratings of 80.0 compared to 81.2
5. When the game is tied, Freeman had a whooping 103.6 passer rating
6. When the bucs are down by one score, Freeman had his second highest passer rating of 91.6.
7. Freeman's worst passer rating comes when the Bucs are ahead by 2-3 scores, posted at a 59.2
8. Freeman was by far best in the 1st Quarter with a passer rating of 91.9
9. Freeman was by far worst in the 2nd Quarter with a passer rating of 67.9


Okay folks, read these and think. What do these stats tell you about big ol' #5?

Here's some situational stats for you.  Here are Freeman's numbers in games started only vs teams with winning records compared to non-winning records (just to be clear, 8-8 is considered a non-winning record)
                                                 Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (27 games): 537-927 / 57.9% / 6,026 / 33 / 34 / 74.03 / 6.50 / 5.56
Opponents < .500 (29 games): 562-942 / 59.7% / 6,921 / 45 / 29 / 85.51 / 7.35 / 6.29


For comparisons sake... Jay Cutler.  Some have said Freeman is better than him, others have said they were similar, the rest (including me), have said Cutler was better.
                                              Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (43 games): 800-1,339 / 59.7% /  9,147 / 59 / 56 / 77.60 / 6.83 / 5.83
Opponents < .500 (50 games): 996-1,616 / 61.6% / 12,169 / 77 / 44 / 89.36 / 7.55 / 7.26


Too many games?  You want Cutler's first 56 starts?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (26 games): 520-848 / 61.3% / 5,778 / 38 / 36 / 78.82 / 6.81 / 5.80
Opponents < .500 (30 games): 638-1,108 / 62.7% / 7,782 / 49 / 29 / 90.34 / 7.64 / 7.33
To note, the same team records that Freeman set, Cutler's numbers would have accomplished the same... possibly more. Also keep in mind that the rule changes that really helped QB's numbers out, really didn't impact the league until 2008, so Cutler's first 21 games didn't have the same advantage Freeman did.


How about we compare the last 56 games so that the time frames are the same?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (28 games): 517-883 / 58.6% / 5,917 / 39 / 40 / 74.64 / 6.70 / 5.55
Opponents < .500 (28 games): 517-852 / 50.7% / 6,375 / 43 / 23 / 89.40 / 7.48 / 7.28


How about we look at a guy who was drafted the same year?  How about Matt Stafford?
                                           Com-Att / Comp % / Yds / TD / INT / Rating / Y/A / AY/A
Opponents > .500 (23 games): 569-977 / 58.2% / 6,432 / 33 / 27 / 77.79 / 6.58 / 6.02
Opponents < .500 (22 games): 545-886 / 61.5% / 6,375 / 47 / 27 / 88.31 / 7.20 / 6.88


Across the board, both Cutler and Stafford have better numbers vs good and bad teams than Freeman.  For the record, Stafford's numbers would be Buccaneer team records as well... and he'd have done it in 11 less starts.

Personally, I don't know your stance on either Cutler or Stafford, but reguardless of what they are... as you can see that both are/have been better.

And from the Bureau of Depressing Stats:

32, 30, 28, 25, 19  <---- Defensive ranking (by QBR) of the teams that Josh had his 100+ QBR games against in 2012.

Wonder if that is coincidence or correlation...


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#26 : March 22, 2013, 11:56:50 AM


And from the Bureau of Depressing Stats:

32, 30, 28, 25, 19  <---- Defensive ranking (by QBR) of the teams that Josh had his 100+ QBR games against in 2012.

Wonder if that is coincidence or correlation...

Of course not.  The only stats that matter are the one that give the impression that Freeman is good.  ;)

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#27 : March 22, 2013, 01:24:10 PM

And from the Bureau of Depressing Stats:

32, 30, 28, 25, 19  <---- Defensive ranking (by QBR) of the teams that Josh had his 100+ QBR games against in 2012.

Wonder if that is coincidence or correlation...
So bad defenses give up a lot of yards and points and good defenses don't give up a lot of yards and points? Glad we cleared that up.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#28 : March 22, 2013, 01:50:58 PM

And from the Bureau of Depressing Stats:

32, 30, 28, 25, 19  <---- Defensive ranking (by QBR) of the teams that Josh had his 100+ QBR games against in 2012.

Wonder if that is coincidence or correlation...
So bad defenses give up a lot of yards and points and good defenses don't give up a lot of yards and points? Glad we cleared that up.

Yeah, a real breakthrough.

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#29 : March 22, 2013, 03:57:46 PM

And from the Bureau of Depressing Stats:

32, 30, 28, 25, 19  <---- Defensive ranking (by QBR) of the teams that Josh had his 100+ QBR games against in 2012.

Wonder if that is coincidence or correlation...
So bad defenses give up a lot of yards and points and good defenses don't give up a lot of yards and points? Glad we cleared that up.

Yeah, a real breakthrough.

Yeah, we already know that Freeman can't excel and raise his game to the level of the competition.  Nothing to see here.
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