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: April 04, 2013, 12:57:12 AM



2013 NFL Draft: Tyrann Mathieu works out for Buccaneers



By Sander Philipse

on Apr 3 2013, 8:00a




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I've had this subject on the back burner for ages now, but it has to be posted at some point: Tyrann Mathieu either visited the Buccaneers, or the Buccaneers visited him for a private workout at a local college campus. According to Walter Football, at least.

The Honey Badger, as he is often called, is famous for three things: big plays for LSU during the 2011 season, getting burnt to a crisp by Alabama in the ensuing BCS National Championship game, and then getting kicked off the team, supposedly for doing weed too many times.

Yes, a good college player got kicked off a quality program for doing weed. That must have been an epic amount of smoking, because you don't hear that one too often. That wasn't his first warning, as he had been arrested on possession of marijuana before.

I, personally, have two issues with Tyrann Mathieu.
 
On-field play
 
One, I don't think he's nearly as good as he's hyped up to be. Yes, he has a knack for making some big plays in college -- but he's undersized and often struggled on a down-to-down basis in college. Big plays are nice, but preventing them on defense is a whole lot more important. He can get overpowered by tight ends and bigger receiver, as often happened. Some of these issues can be fixed, others can't. He is likely limited to a slot cornerback in the NFL, and I don't know if he can be consistently successful in that role. Not to mention the simple fact that the Bucs already have a group of young, undersized slot cornerbacks.

Mathieu does at times display the instincts necessary to make some special plays. That's where most of his big plays and his national notoriety came from. He also has great top-end speed -- but I have some doubts about his transition from a backpedal to jumping a route. He looked less than explosive doing that and seemed better fitted with some buildup speed. His instincts also had a downside: he got beat by double moves. A lot. That's one reason why I don't see him working at safety, as some have suggested. His size limits his position versatility, too.

There's also the question of scheme fit. He gets beat in man coverage pretty regularly, and would get completely dominated in the NFC South with its tall receivers and tight ends. He's best in zone coverage -- but the Bucs don't like playing much of that.

There is one area where he would be a quality addition, though: punt returner. He was explosive as a punt returner, notching 17.8 yards per return and two touchdowns during the 2011 season. That's an area where the Buccaneers need some help -- but they're not going to give up much for someone they only see as a punt returner.
 
Now, I'm making him sound like a useless player, and that's not what he is. He has some intriguing attributes -- but I wouldn't draft him much sooner than the fifth round in an already cornerback heavy draft.

Off-field concerns
 
The other issue is reliability. If you can't even keep from getting busted for marijuana in college, how are you going to stay on the field in the NFL. Mathieu has supposedly reformed his life, went through rehab and did all the good things -- and he's a young kid, so he's allowed a few indiscretions. But to say that this isn't a concern would be disingenuous. You can't help your team if you're suspended. Just ask Tanard Jackson.
 
How interested are the Buccaneers, really?
 
So does this private workout mean the Buccaneers are intensely interested? As with any visit: not really. It just means that they have questions about him that they want answered. Obviously that means they didn't disqualify him as a draft prospect based on his tape, but that's about all you can say.

And it's pretty obvious why they would have questions, given the above issues. Bringing in the Honey Badger for a private workout makes sense if you want to find out whether he can be a safe pick for you. Perhaps he didn't impress the Bucs and he is now off their board -- or perhaps some good answers saw him rise a few notches in their esteem.

So, what do you think of Mathieu? Does he fit the Bucs?




http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/4/3/4175324/2013-nfl-draft-tyrann-mathieu-buccaneers-honey-badger

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#1 : April 04, 2013, 01:56:33 AM

but he's undersized



Tyrann is 5-9   186

If that is undersized,  what is Tavon Austin?  Midgit category?

I wouldn't mind the pick, he could start right away as a return guy, then work him into nickle CB as they go along.





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#2 : April 04, 2013, 06:40:15 AM

I'm OK with picking him if it happens in the 3rd round, 2nd round is pushing it.

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#3 : April 04, 2013, 07:06:00 AM

4th.  He is not worth a 3rd IMO.  Too big a risk.

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#4 : April 04, 2013, 07:20:35 AM

I'd be ok with him in the 4th round. Any earlier is silly. He's an over hyped nickel back....and we already have Johnson, Gaitor, and Barber for that. He can't line up outside and play man on a #1 or #2 receiver....so there isn't much value there.


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#5 : April 04, 2013, 07:23:36 AM

There is going to be some moron team reach and take him in the end of the 2nd round I have a feeling ....

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#6 : April 04, 2013, 07:32:37 AM

but he's undersized



Tyrann is 5-9   186

If that is undersized,  what is Tavon Austin?  Midgit category?

I wouldn't mind the pick, he could start right away as a return guy, then work him into nickle CB as they go along.

Lol...the Tavon Austin vendetta continues....haha...

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#7 : April 04, 2013, 07:42:39 AM

I really do see him in a Bucs uniform. Call it a hunch. I just hope we don't draft him too early.


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#8 : April 04, 2013, 07:48:57 AM

but he's undersized



Tyrann is 5-9   186

If that is undersized,  what is Tavon Austin?  Midgit category?

I wouldn't mind the pick, he could start right away as a return guy, then work him into nickle CB as they go along.

Tavon Austin has no character issues and not even an idiot would be critical of his production. Size is hardly a factor with him at all. He is solid and dependable. There is NOTHING about Tyrann Mathieu that's solid or dependable. I wouldn't want him if he was free and didn't count against the roster.

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#9 : April 04, 2013, 08:03:20 AM

Whether you like Austin or not......5'8" 170lbs is pretty damn small.


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#10 : April 04, 2013, 08:10:05 AM

Its small for men's gymnastics,  much less NFL football...

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#11 : April 04, 2013, 10:40:20 AM

I really do see him in a Bucs uniform. Call it a hunch. I just hope we don't draft him too early.
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#12 : April 04, 2013, 10:53:21 AM

Take him in the 4th. If we take him in the 3rd, Schiano and Dom better be very confident in the kid. He's a playmaker, no doubt. We have other holes to fill without gambling on this kid. Besides, I'm not sure if he fits our scheme. More of a zone guy than man from what I see and hear.

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#13 : April 04, 2013, 10:53:45 AM

Mathieu would be a great addition . Mid 3rd to Early 4th is right about where I expect him to be drafted.  He's has more value at the position than any other corner in the draft. Factor in his special teams prowess , he would fit nicely as a nickel corner. Hope he's a Buc

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#14 : April 04, 2013, 10:57:10 AM

Hope he's a buc IF and only IF he has learned his lesson and can keep his head on straight. Not many people change at the age of 22 or 23. At that point, we pretty much are who we are. Not that it can't happen, just not as likely. I don't see real remorse and an honest to goodness thankfulness for his 2nd shot he'll be getting somewhere.

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